Now that Kovalev looks finished, just how good was he?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by lufcrazy, Aug 5, 2018.


How do we remember the career of Kovalev

  1. A great (top ten divisional history) fighter

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    31.7%

  2. A not great (outside of top ten divisional history) fighter

    56 vote(s)
    68.3%
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  1. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas FRANKINAUSTIN

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    Not HOF, not by a long shot. Had he legitimately defeated Ward, then Alvarez, then either Beterbiev or The Pimp, THEN he's in the conversation.

    He has (had) too many weaknesses that were exploited. Couldn't deal with hand speed, for example.

    If I had been his trainer, I would have made him watch all of Dempsey's video. Both guys were about the same size and were punchers. I would have made Kovalev duck his head up and down like Dempsey did, because he had NO HEAD MOVEMENT WHATSOEVER. That's why he got caught last night...it was an easy target.
     
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  2. Odins beard

    Odins beard Fentanyl is one hell of a drug.... Full Member

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    Hopkins and FMJ where notorious PED users and great matchmakers hence the longevity.
     
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  3. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    so...he trained for all thoe other fights, which he won, but not for the biggest one, is that right?
     
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  4. The Ogdoad

    The Ogdoad Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    To be frank, Kovalev's resume isn't all that good. A Stevenson fight a few years ago would have given it more depth. When a 48 year old is your best win, that isn't saying much.
     
    The Ogdoad, Aug 5, 2018
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  5. lewis gassed

    lewis gassed The Bronze Dosser Full Member

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    Very good at LHW, was arguably #1/2 along with Stevenson for a few years.
    But never a P4P elite.
     
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  6. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Very good in his prime. He had some bad habits in and out of the ring which ended up costing him but he was very good when he was at his best and he ''did it the hard way'' by fighting on the road or going to his opponent's backyards where the deck was stacked against him and your chances of losing by hook or by crook are much higher than if you're fighting at home on a playing field that is heavily weighted in your favour.
     
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  7. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    No but when your best win is Bernard Hopkins that is saying something. For most people in history he'd be their best win.
     
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  8. TheyDontBoxNoMore7

    TheyDontBoxNoMore7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Golovkin will get one of these threads this September and I will laugh. Some of you already have jumped ship and now ride BJS. You ship rats are evolving. But know this. Golovkin is worse than Kovalev.
     
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  9. deyell

    deyell MOLECULE FROM HELL. Full Member

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    Just like when you jumped off the Broner, Berto, Quillin, Kirkland, Eubank Jr. bandwagons?
     
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  10. Jambon

    Jambon Active Member Full Member

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    Well, i dont mind extending great past the top 10. At is best, he show great power and timing. However when thoses assets dont work he does not seems very good at adjusting is strategy or style.
     
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  11. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    That's a hell of a standard in terms of the drop-off between the two options.
     
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  12. funkykoval

    funkykoval Active Member Full Member

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    top ten in history?
    are you nuts? Michalczewski cleans the floor with him with the left hand alone
     
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  13. The Ogdoad

    The Ogdoad Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Not a 48 year old Hopkins.
     
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  14. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    A big problem I see with Sergei's resume is that I don't think he actually ever beat anyone as good as Alvarez. (Save the Ward 1 arguments.)
     
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  15. Bustajay

    Bustajay Feel the Steel/Balls Deep Full Member

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    He was a beast
    Not all bad aze guys make it top 10 or even 15 of ALL TIME but most def Krusher was a monster for a few years in the division
     
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