In appreciation of Sergey Kovalev: a few thoughts

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  1. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Commiserations to all the Kovalev fans here. He had a good run; but, as the saying goes, all good things come to an end - and Kovalev went out not at his best, but still fighting one of the best contenders in the division. Alvarez came determined, and, to his credit, took some pretty big shots before getting through with his own. I didn't see that one coming, I knew that Kovalev wasn't quite as good as in the past but I thought that would still have been too good for Alvarez, who I clearly underrated.

    However, I'm reminded of an important fact which most in the industry know, but many fans don't realize - namely, that a boxer's true prime is actually much shorter than most people realize, even more so if they don't look after themselves. Kovalev will generally be underrated for the next little while, but actually in his prime from about 2012 -2015 he really was a monster and one of the best ever at LHW.

    Sure, he still had some little weaknesses which Ward and Alvarez exploited: his jab came back a bit too low sometimes, and he could have had better head movement, and his footwork whilst on the back foot had room for improvement. But at his best these were either more than amply compensated by his other attributes: frightening power, huge confidence, an excellent and accurate jab and straight-right combo, and the killer instinct in the ring.

    Kovalev hasn't been prime since Pascal II at the start of 2016, I remember a friend in the industry saying that the Chilemba fight could be the beginning of the end, because that level was already a good deal below peak Kovalev already. Before that fight he was sure that Kovalev would KO Ward, after that he said it would be close because both Kovalev and Ward looked awful in comparison to their bests! Kovalev from 2012-2015 would have beaten the 2016-2017 Ward clearly, who incidentally was himself not prime when he came back - that's why he retired after Kovalev II. If you watch Ward's peak, e.g. vs Froch you can see that he was clearly better then.

    I do not wish to labour the point, but the same is true to varying degrees of Floyd since the Canelo fight (or even before), Pacquaio since the Marquez KO, Golovkin since the Lemiuex fight, etc. It won't be long before Lomachenko is past prime, and by the way Rigondeaux was also himself clearly past prime. He was probably already past prime when the fight was first discussed years ago. Glowacki upset Huck in a war three years ago, not because he's better than Huck, but simply because he was prime and Huck a bit past prime. Ditto Hurd vs Lara. A lot of people rate George Groves as #1 at SMW right now, and based on achievements that's deserved. But actually he too is well past prime and if there were anything like an elite fighter in his prime in the division he'd destroy Groves just like Froch did.

    It's not that a prime fighter can't give a bad performance - they can and do; but when a fighter getting on in years looks consistently poor over a few fights, usually that signals the end of the prime - even if they are still good enough to achieve a lot afterwards. Likewise every now and then a fighter we thought was slipping or even done turns back the clock and produces a fine performance; but such cases are rare.

    That's why when we get a truly great performance it should be justly celebrated. An elite boxer at the top of his craft is a beautiful thing to behold. Enjoy the great memories Kovalev gave you when he destroyed Cleverly, Hopkins, Pascal and others. And continue loving the most human of sports, one which is capable of both so much joy and heartbreak.

    Поздравляем вас с большой карьерой, Сергей Ковалев!
     
  2. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Well said Kiwi.:beer-toast1: Great post!
     
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  3. BoxingABC1

    BoxingABC1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    in a sea of "Ward ruined Kov/Was Kov even any good in the first place/Wards resume took a tumble" threads, this level of sanity is what was needed, great post
     
  4. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 Dot, dot, dot... Full Member

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    Great post, Kiwi.

    So very true what you say about primes being shorter than assumed, especially when you take into account this part of a career typically contains a boxer's toughest fights and opposition, accelerating the natural process of decline.

    But the rate of decline is also in direct relation to the level of dedication, and in this respect Kovalev disappointed. Even at the weekend he displayed some sublime boxing at times but he no longer had the physical platform to maintain the level his skills warranted.

    You are right though, during those three years at his best, he was immense...
     
  5. Salty Dog

    Salty Dog globalize the Buc-ees revolution Full Member

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    As usual, thoughtful and evenhanded.:applaudit:
     
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  6. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    Great post Kiwi.
    Haven't seen the fight yet, and was quite surprised when I read the result next morning (I almost went all-in at the virtual bookie), but after the initial shock 20/20 was finally sinking in.
    I expect him to still be a danger for many LHW's out there in the years to come, but the next generation is already here.
     
  7. Nopporn

    Nopporn Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What happened to Kovalev? He is done very quickly and it's too fast to accept it. Did Ward destroy him completely in the second fight? I can't believe this.
     
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  8. jaytxxl

    jaytxxl Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I semi-agree with the way you explained this.. Guys primes are definitely shorter based on fighting styles..

    The problem is we rarely see fighters in matches against other elite fighters during their respective primes to gage how good they really are.. The WW division being the most guilty of this in recent yrs.. Both Floyd and PACs primes were around 130 and 135 but the height of their popularity was at 147.. Keith Thurman is last prime and Crawford is already 30 with DG and Porter not too far behind.. Crawford will be about 32 and Spence will be around 30 when they finally fight.. Far cry from SRL and Hearns fighting at 25 and 23..
     
  9. minemax

    minemax Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No. It's just his body giving up on him, not his mind.
     
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  10. PaddyGarcia

    PaddyGarcia Trivial Annoyance Gold Medalist Full Member

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    Excellent post.

    Kova has given us some really cool memories. Let's also gives Alvarez his props; he was losing but caught him with a peach. I'm cool with Kova rebuilding and having another attempt at a run.

    I don't think Ward too his soul or anything. I think Ward showed his gas tank issues and that maybe he wasn't as mentally resilient as once thought. If anyone owns that soul, you gota say it's Alvarez
     
  11. Nopporn

    Nopporn Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    How is his body at the moment? Did he get serious injuries?
     
  12. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Things change pretty fast in boxing, although I agree that even so this is a quick one. A few things to note IMHO:

    1) Stamina: Kovalev's stamina got worse quickly, he was gassed against Alvarez, Ward x 2, and even Chilemba to some extent. This is partly due to getting older, but probably more so to not looking after himself very well. In his prime Kovalev definitely had better stamina.

    2) Confidence: When Kovalev was knocking everyone out he was supremely confident and this plays a huge role, especially with Kovalev's style. He knew he was going to win, his opponents were often already fearful before the opening bell, and Kovalev got the KO!

    3) Technical flaws: Unfortunately Kovalev never quite fixed the technical flaws he had, and Alvarez to his credit learned what to do against Kovalev by watching Ward. As he said afterwards, the punch which changed the fight was all rehearsed - the same one that Ward caught Kovalev with in the rematch.

    Kovalev is still pretty good, but it's frustrating to fight at a level which is clearly below your best, losing to opponents you would've beaten in your prime. I won't be surprised if he retires - he is seriously considering it.
     
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  13. Nopporn

    Nopporn Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Thank you for your analysis Kiwi. I've still shocked for what has happened to him so far.
     
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  14. Chuck Norris

    Chuck Norris Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Good post Kiwiman. :chuck:
     
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  15. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Me too. Boxing is a cruel sport.
     
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