GGG vs James Toney.

The problem is all is his bad performances you have to also factor them into consideration

 

Nunn looking great:

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oh...

Canelo and Jacobs would eat him up and spit him out like dog treats

 

I doubt it...

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This a confusing post. Toney is on a very short list of guys who have landed over 400 punches in a fight more than once. As a come forward fighter with little head movement, GGG would be eating punches all night. The question is, could he fire back enough to stay in it?

 

Guess what? McCallum and Nunn are leagues better than Kassim Ouma who was laying a **** ton of leather of GGG. Every fighter has bouts where they perform relatively poor in.

 

1) Golovkin was reported to have had the flu just before the Ouma fight
2) Ouma fought really well, but he ended up being stopped and hospitalised.
3) Nunn actually lost to Little, and he was dropped into the bargain
4)Little (25-17-3) is a fair bit worse than Ouma (29-11-1).

Even on a bad night, an exceptional boxer ought to be able to pull off the win against a game journeyman on a good night. Golovkin did it. Nunn failed.

 

1) If Golovkin landed 400 punches on a guy in one night, there's going to be a funeral.
2) Who did Toney land all these punches on? Easy to look good vs a punchbag. Seems to me his power is lacking.

Really:

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For a fighter renowned for power, accuracy and breaking guys to bits and with an iron chin, that's probably even too much defence for GGG.

Worse fighters than Golovkin have "fired back" enough against Toney to give him all kinds of problems. Golovkin has consistently had a higher workrate than any of his opponents.

 

There’s some desperate case being made by you here...

Golovkin seems to suffer from the flu more than an OAP.

Ouma was a past prime Light Middleweight. What does bigging up the hospitalization of the little man say about the strength of your argument?

The Nunn/Little fight was at Super Middleweight and, even then, Nunn was weight-drained, as well as being past his best.

Again, picking the worst of Nunn, some several years after he’d left the Middleweight division, shows the lengths you have to go to in your efforts to diminish Toney.

The link between this bout and Nunn/Toney is so tenuous, as to render it an irrelevance.

 

And yet he gave Jermain Taylor all he could handle in a title fight AT MIDDLEWEIGHT.

It shows that even on a bad night, Golovkin is devastating.

31 year old Nunn loses to journeyman Little

"Oh, oh, but he was past prime"

35 year old Golovkin beats top fighter Jacobs

"Proof Golovkin was never any good"



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YOU were the one that was all excited about emphasizing Nunn and McCallum:

"Then you won't mind adding to it by posting your evidence, which could support an idea that Jacobs and Canelo are equivalent or better middleweights than Nunn and McCallum, will you?"

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/ggg-vs-james-toney.612202/page-3#post-19333186

 

LOL - 5 years earlier. And, it was a good effort by Ouma, which deserves respect, but Ouma lost wide to Taylor.

If you're going to quote me, you could at least have the decency to quote me accurately and in context. It's just plain ignorant to do otherwise.

There is no double-standard, here. You've tried to diminish Toney as a Middleweight, because of a performance several years later by Nunn, in a different weight division, and one for which it was well-known he'd struggled to make 168lbs.

That's a ridiculously tenuous piece of evidence and if you can't see that, then perhaps you really have lost all perspective on the matter and probably need to take a break.

I stand by this statement: "Nunn and McCallum are levels above Jacobs and Alvarez, both of whom Golovkin struggled with and arguably lost to."

I previously alluded to one being hard pushed to find an ATG Middleweight rankings list, without Nunn and McCallum in the mix.


I've asked you: "Where do you think both Jacobs and Alvarez will sit in the All-Time Greatest Middleweights rankings?"


It's a fairly straightforward question for someone who seems to have no trouble making broad speculations. Yet, you don't appear to want to answer this question and have instead set about discrediting Nunn, as a way of discrediting Toney. Except Nunn's only loss at 160 is against Toney.

If you can avoid shifting your responses to a different topic; moving goalposts; extrapolating the living daylights out of any semblance of what you consider evidence in your favor and lacing your responses with BS interpretations of the original points/arguments made, do you think you could actually answer the question I posed on the previous page and again in this post, above?

 

Sooo ... OUMA WAS A MIDDLEWIGHT? Thanks!

Why dance around the fire when we can jump right in? You're excusing a 31 year old Nunn's loss to a nobody and castigating 35 year old Golovkin for beating a top fighter.

Are you sure that you understand what a double standard IS?

No, Toney can be discredited by far lesser fighters than Nunn, who schooled his ass.

Here is Toney getting beaten up by nobody Tiberi:

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Here is Toney barely managing to draw with scrub Sanderline Williams:

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And I demonstrated that Canelo skills-wise is at least as good as Toney, who Nunn lost to, in the end.

Sure. Assuming that Canelo and Jacobs continue their careers the way they have conducted them so far, they will be at least as high as Nunn and McCallum. Ask again in 10 years for a definitive answer.

 

I can't be bothered to sift through any more of your pointless, obfuscating drivel, save to confirm that Ouma was a Light Middleweight, contrary to your claim he was a Middleweight. Thanks. Have a nice day.

 

... this despite confirming that Ouma fought at Middleweight 5 years prior to fighting Golovkin

I'll have a great day, thanks.

 

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