GGG vs James Toney.

I'll take GGG of about 3 to 4 years ago to batter Toney at Middleweight. Toney was good at that weight,,but he wasn't that good.

 

Yeah, to start with he forgot to mention the two fights out of three Ali actually won. He also failed to mention Moore losing every fight to Charles.

Then you of course have SRR-LaMotta, Ali-Liston/Foreman, Tunney-Dempsey to name a few classic ones and Usyk-Gassiev to name a more recent one. Ward vs Abrams and Kovalev are a couple pretty recent ones. There are just loads, really.

Most those boxers were different to Toney, though. But let's go with Duran-Moore/Barkley in that case.

 

Indeed. Fair shouts. One could also consider the following...

- Duran, who couldn't quite apply enough pressure on the more defensive and counter-punching Benitez.
- Pacquiao's boogeyman, Marquez. They went 2-1-1 to Pacquiao (and the two for Pacquiao being very close).
- Hatton falling foul of Mayweather's counter.
- Arce walking into Mijares, all night.

How long has one got?

 

There are just so many. It's a very strange statement that the stronger, more powerful and aggressive fighter prevails in the clear majority of cases.

Even boxers without special power have often schooled powerful opponents (Saunders/Lemieux and Usyk/Gassiev being examples within the last year), but Toney had very good pop at MW and SMW. Hell, the guy kept a monster like Peters honest. Not even GGG would walk right through his counter rights.

 

I'm not as impressed by Toney's heavyweight run as some. But, if nothing else, most appreciate his traversing of the divisions, to find himself competing in the Heavyweight division. It's kind of strange to see a once middleweight gradually stacking on the pounds, to the point that he ends up taking on heavyweights, on even terms.

To be honest - the fight that came to my mind was the Toney/Holyfield bout. OK, Holyfield was way past it, but he started well and was applying heavyweight pressure up close, in several of the early rounds. Toney withstood it, whilst delivering good shots of his own. It's just a snapshot, but nonetheless, it does show that Toney's style could put up an effective resistance to strong pressure.

 

Not to mention his absolute dismantlings of an undefeated Jirov and a swarming (though weight drained) Iran Barkley. Toney tended to eat swarmers alive. GGG would probably have better luck with the jab and distance game then seek and destroy against James Toney.

 

I don't know anyone, other than Harold Lederman, who thinks Toney/Jirov was anything but a win for Toney; most concurring with the official judges scoring.

 

I agree. That's Golovkin's best bet, if he wants a chance at making Toney look less effective.

 

It could have gone either way?

 

You don't know what you're looking at.

 

^Hmmm, you sound like a fanatic.

 

I could use compubox stats to underline the fact that I am right and you are wrong.

 

LOL have a good day

 

its clear that whilst toney had the best h2h ability on a given night, 3G has better longevity and consistency by far.

 

And it is based on beating tomato cans?