Why has Deontay achieved so little?

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  1. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    this isn't about who made the comment. It is about boxing. For a guy with 40 fights and the way he talks, you would think he would be like Tyson when he fought Douglas, and he is not.
     
  2. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    How many guys have more title defenses than Wilder? I know with 4 titles, that statistic becomes watered down, so even if we only go back to say the 80s when the IBF became recognized as a major world title. There aren't too many guys with more defenses than Wilder, despite tons of alphabet champions running rampant over those decades. Surely that counts for something.
     
  3. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    There are not many names on his resume, and to be honest there are not many names at heavyweight to talk about, but he is lacking some sort of resume for all the talk he makes.. I sure wish we went back to WBA and WBC at least. These organizations have ruined boxing. But they make money.
     
  4. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Well, in the name of full disclosure, I picked against Wilder 3x - Liakhovich, Stiverne 1, and Arreola.

    I agree, his resume certainly isn't exceptional. But, I don't blame Wilder for the fight with Povetkin falling apart, and in the grand scheme of things, building on what you said, it's not as if the heavyweight landscape is littered with talent. Fury has the best victory of any current heavyweight, but that was from a few years ago. But that aside, is AJ's resume really all that much better than Wilder's?

    I mean, if Wilder does face and defeat Fury this year, which is not a given - but if he does this, it can be argued he would then have a better resume than AJ.
     
  5. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If you say so.

    I can turn on the TV or look at my computer screen any random time and find someone with a 14-0 record — or even with a loss or two — screaming from the mountaintop of how great they are.

    Ali said he was the greatest of all time long before he made everyone believe it.

    I think from Wilder’s point of view he’s had a fight with Povetkin fall apart once due to PEDs (tell me you believe if Povetkin fails a test AJ is going to fight him anyway) and it didn’t happen again when it likely would have when Povetkin failed a second test; that he tried to make the AJ fight (yeah, you can believe what you want but he seems to on his end be earnest in the attempt) and he’s trying to fight Fury.

    I don’t get the idea that there’s a certain number of fights or a certain amount of time as a pro at which a fighter must do this or that. Life doesn’t work that way. Tom Brady didn’t start until his junior year of college — does that mean someone who started as a freshman is better than him? People progress at different rates, his team knew he had little amateur experience (like 20 fights when he went to the Olympics, won the national golden gloves with less fights than anyone ever IIRC) so they brought him along at a slower pace.

    Love him or hate him, he’s undefeated, he’s knocked out everyone he’s ever faced, he’s WBC heavyweight champion and he just fought Luis Ortiz, who suddenly aged 20 years the minute he signed to fight Wilder, and is gunning for Fury and AJ.

    What do you care what he says? If you don’t like it, don’t pay attention to him.
     
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  6. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    Why do your parents hate you?
     
  7. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes if he beats Fury, that would be a great win and Wilder would sure know it. I want to see how Fury looks in his next fight to see if he is in shape to fight Wilder. I hope so. If Fury is in shape I pick him to beat Wilder, although Wilder's punch right hand is quick. That would really speed up the talk of him fighting Joshua whoever wins. Right now what makes Joshua resume so much better is that fight he had with Klitchko. Without that fight, I think they are pretty even maybe Wilder a little better. Joshua's resume is better just because went into deep waters with an experienced guy most guys could not go into deep waters with. If Wilder beats Fury, then he might be the top guy at heavyweight for sure.
     
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  8. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    My point was this is about boxing, not about anyone personally.
     
  9. Salty Dog

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    "Let them train to be a fighter and fight (Deontay)Wilder," Joshua told AP. "It's easy talking about it. It's another thing doing."

    Lest you forget.
     
  10. Guybino

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    Thats all well and good but Dillian Whyte was an even later bloomer with less experience and less of an amateur background and he now arguably has a better resume than Wilder.
     
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  11. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    I feel like you're pushing some kind of agenda with your post, or think I am with mine, so I'm just to disengage with this because I don't play the games.
     
  12. exumspate

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    Chavez was awesome, no argument…check out the guys he fought prior to becoming champion, it will blow your mind…40 something fights and still fighting guys making their pro debut?

    Wilder is no Chavez but he looks like he wants to take on the top guys…I wouldn’t be so quick to write him off…
     
  13. Guybino

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    Oh my bad I didn't mean to come across that way. I just woke up before that post.
     
  14. Saintpat

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    And arguably he hasn’t. I think he’s fodder for Eddie to protect AJ and build into an opponent he can sell in the UK within his own stable.

    He also has a loss. The Wilder team’s approach has been successful. It’s gotten him to the point that within the next year he could become undisputed champ and bring him huge paydays.

    Some of the criticism of his resume is fair. Some IMO is not. But regardless, it is what it is ... and the goalposts by his detractors have kept moving: I remember when it was he had no stamina and would gas if taken into late rounds; I remember when it was he wouldn’t carry his power late; I remember when he would fold the first time he took a punch from a real heavyweight. He’d never fight a mandatory, he’d never beat a top 10 contender. Etc., etc.
     
  15. Mr Icaman

    Mr Icaman 32-0 WBC Champ, Ring + Lineal HW Champ Full Member

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    lol what a stupid argument..

    Yes he has achieved alot compared to a regular joe but compared to his peer he has no following and earns chump change..