Hearn: Wilder has lost the plot

You want to talk about "slave owners" and people being taken advantage of.. And slaughter Eddie Hearn for the way he advises and guides his fighters.


OK, let's turn the tables a little and shine a light on the offer side,

Let's talk Shelly Finkle, here is a list of some of fighters Shelly Finkle has managed/been involved with..

Mike Tyson
Evander Holyfield
Meldrick Taylor
Pernell Whitaker
Manny Pacquiao
Mike McCallum

I could and maybe should throw in Klitschko who worked with Finkle and in a strange but true set of circumstances, what was Klitschko's biggest payday?

Oh that's right, fighting on a Matchroom card against AJ put together by Eddie Hearn.



Anyway how many fighters on that list above have declared bankruptcy or had serious financial problems?


If I had a choice, I know who'd I'd rather have advising and guiding me and if you're honest so would you.

 

If we are talking solely technique then its difficult to give Parker much over Ortiz, I'm not at all saying Ortiz is a bum - I'm just saying he hasn't done enough to be in anyone's top 3 still. On their last performances Whyte bodies him.

Ortiz is a skilled heavy weight - but thats it. All of the top 5 are equally or better skilled and they would all beat him.

Again, Ortiz hasn't done anything and will do nothing. Reminds me of Calvin Brock - looks good until gets KO'd by a top HW and then forgotten.

 

Ortiz's last performance was absolutely wiping out the guy that took Parker the distance.

Ortiz got KO'd against a top Heavyweight, but looked good in doing so. Real good, nearly took that title in fact. I've AJ/Wilder at the top, Ortiz and Povetkin below them...then there's a gap between the next mix of HW's. Ortiz and Pov are on their way out due to age but I still have them above the others.

I just can't see your argument mate, Parker hasn't really looked good since Dimitrenko. You said yourself you can't really give anything to Parker over Ortiz from a technical standing but what can you? Certainly not power. Chin maybe? It's only Wilder that's had Ortiz hurt as far as I know. Faster hands? Sure, but Ortiz does better work with his hands anyway so it's a non-issue for me.

 

Parker is decent, but that's it. I did think he would beat Whyte but it was actually a close fight so I have them on a similar level. One that is below Ortiz

 

The answer would lie in the result of Ortiz vs Whyte.

Cojanu isn't exactly a world-beater is he, doesn't benefit either side of our arguments. My point still stands that Ortiz has done very very little and has what, 2 fights left in him?

 

It would and do you honestly believe the decision to fight Parker instead of Whyte (thus giving the WBC no option but to make him mandatory) was purely financial and not even a little bit because they felt he was the easier fight?

No, he's pants, but Parker looked poor against him and couldn't put him away. Ortiz distracted with that Cuban southpaw pawing jab, threw a wide hook and then ended him with a terrific shot straight down the pipe.

He hasn't got a great body of work but this is part of what me and jmashyaka are saying - other than Wilder, no one is or was trying to fight him and he's finding it hard to get meaningful fights.

 

Absolutely, I agree. Also on the drug cheat part too but I'm struggling to think of more than a handful of current HW's that haven't been banned. It's some list - Povetkin, Ortiz, Whyte, Stiverne, Terper, Browne, Furys and I'm sure I'm forgetting some

 

I think at this point and time, any Wilder vs Joshua "fight" related threads should be put in a Chit-Chat forum where it currently belongs.

 

Not sure why people bang on about Ortiz? He's got 2/3 fights in him at the very most and is/was a drug cheat.

We should all want to see the younger fighters coming through and challenging one another instead.

Joshua / Wilder - If not one another, I'd rather see them fight younger undefeated fighters who are progressive rather than fighters who are hoping for one final payday before retirement.

Hopefully Joshua retires Povetkin and Ortiz defeat to Wilder can be the last of him.