George forman’s power compare to today’s super heavy’s

He was a better boxer when he was on his comeback which somewhat made up for the loss of speed and mobility. Still packed a punch if you stood in front of him like Moorer did.

 

lol again I agree

 

Superb --thank you for that; the geometry of power punching. I'm a ghost from the past occasionally revisiting...and it's still good to learn things. I consider big George the hardest heavyweight hitter I've ever seen. Apart from the obvious effects on his opponents-- but equally because he never seemed to load up..he just swung and hit. To devastating effect! Great thread because his lack of technique etc has been highlighted in contrast to his destructive power. I will add--some people are just natural power punchers, irrespective of technique..ala Foreman. Yet some could be...or even more so with the correct technique. As you pointed out.

 

Foreman wouldn't look so small against Joshua today either. He is much wider and thus wouldn't look dwarfed by him. Gerry Cooney was 6ft5 (maybe taller) and Foreman stacked up very well size wise against him.

Pure power house.

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Another good watch.

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Some people are just blessed genetically.

 

He would look smaller than Shannon Briggs.

Power according to sparring quotes:

Wlad>Lewis>Foreman.

 

Makes sense, Wlad was the biggest out of all those guys. He loaded up on his shots though. They were not as natural as Foreman's shots which often required very little room to be effective.

In a boxing match I would take Foreman

 

Power comes from a combination of weight+speed+density+solidness.

Like if you are fat your weight increases but your speed might deacrease a bit. Also your density decreases if we are talking purely power in a P4P perspective.

Overall more fat gives more power because of the increased weight. But P4P Golovkin hits damn hard due to his density and solidness.

Thats why some boxers "punch way above their weight"

Ali/Foreman is a perfect example of this matter. Ali was 6"2' and Foreman 6"3' both had about the same reach 79 vs 78.5 inches. They weighed 216 and 220 pounds. Ali moved his weight much faster than Foreman but Foreman still punched leagues above him. Thats because of the solidiness of Foreman's impacts. Almost No power leaked away during the transmission.

Its like hitting a ball with a bat. You want the perfect impact on the top at your perfect timed and accelerated swing but once you got that perfect hit the ball feels heavy as **** thus draining away your power.

Raw egg vs boiled egg. Raw eggs cracks. But boiled eggs might break an old window. Both are same size same weight and throwed with same speed from same distance. This is a very important but often overlooked fact.

Punchers are born not made.

 

It's difficult to compare power, every human being is built differently. There are so many variables that make a good puncher, some are born with it, some train for it. And they all deliver power in different ways from torque to fast twitch muscles to sheer core strength like discus athletes.

As one poster said:

"As for Foreman he wasn't a 1 punch KO kind of guy, he was the huge thudding power kind of guy"

I think this also fits the bill for Anthony Joshua, he is a thud kind of guy, whereas Deontay is explosive like mike tyson.

Just because you are big doesn't mean you can knock everyone out. Your punches might hurt like Tyson Fury's but he ain't known for knocking people out despite him saying "I'll knock ABC spark out" all the time.

George Foreman hit hard no doubt about it, you gotta hear it from the actual opponents. Earnie shavers (hardest ever?) was only 6 foot.

 

heavybags don't hit back or move around the ring, I could see fury winning almost every round against him

 

In all honesty Foreman or any elite boxer that is a powerful puncher over 175 lbs if they loaded up enough could not only dent, but most likely destroy almost any heavybag. However, the most important thing is effective power, which more often than not is developed on the lighter bags that give a little more. Even back then they could pack bags super thick to where they felt like bricks when you punched them. But, for the most part these were just used to increase the strength of the arms. Marciano had a 300 lb bag that was super stiff, but it served more as a workout tool for his arms than for punching technique. Even Marciano would go back to the less stiff and much lighter bags to work on throwing effective punches and getting him self in proper position.

Marciano on 300lb bag and standard bag

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At .57 seconds in Marciano is working on a 300lb bag, but even Marciano, who was a heck of a puncher and and a very strong guy can't effectively move around the bag and setup combinations, but the bag was great for Marciano's arm strength and it helped keep him from getting arm weary in fights.

George Foreman discussing the impact Moore had on him

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At 35:18 Foreman discusses how much Moore stressed always being in the proper position to deliver power punches and also acknowledges how Moore and Joe Louis helped prepare him to destroy Joe Frazier.

In the Foreman-Lyle fight George uses tactics that are similar to what Moore used against Johnson.

Archie Moore 5'11" 173 lbs vs. Harold Johnson 5'10' 172 lbs

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At 15:40 Moore is having a grueling fight with Johnson, but stays patient and notices Johnson starting to hold his guard a little low and times him for a straight right, which weakens Johnson. Moore forces Johnson over to the ropes and finishes him off with short well timed hooks and uppercuts.

George Foreman 6'3" 226 lbs vs. Ron Lyle 6'3" 220 lbs

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At 19:46 Foreman's having a tough fight, but notices Lyle is getting lazy with his jab and times him with a straight right, which wobbles Lyle. Foreman forces Lyle over to the ropes and finished him with a series of short hooks.