Carl Froch sets the record straight on who would have won if he fought Calzaghe

And Ward only had 4....

1 off a blown up British level middleweight.

1 off a top 50 168 dwarf who was dragged up

1 against a lower top 10 175 fighter

2 against Kovalev in which he got a gift in 1 of them.

Loudon......open your eyes.....

 

Open my eyes to what?

They were low level tune ups to due inactivity.

Low level tune ups which culminated in a huge, dangerous fight against Kovalev. Whereas Joe regularly fought guys of that calibre all throughout his reign, even though he struggled to make weight, he knew that Ottke wouldn't unify, and that there were better opponents up at LHW.

Fighting low level tune ups in order to fight Kovalev, is not the same as dismissing Tarver and Dawson as not being worthy, to then instead fight a faded legend who he'd dismissed both in his autobiography, as well as on live TV.

You're living a fantasy world if you think that Joe would have fought Kovalev.

Now for the sake of argument, let's say that Joe would have been willing to have travelled to the U.S. to fight Ward.

Then what?

Do you think that Ward would still have ducked the fight?

 

Depends on if he got his own way with corrupt refs etc.....but JC did travel something Ward never had the marrow to do even for a highest payday and possible superfight.

I'm still wondering why you rate Kovalev so highly e.g. a fighter JC would have avoided.....based on what?

 

Once again, Joe only travelled twice, despite having had 14 extra fights. Also, I don't think Ward is done yet. I honestly think we'll see him return. So it'll be interesting to see what happens.

I think that Kovalev was overhyped, but he was extremely dangerous, especially to a guy like Joe, as he was a big, huge punching LHW in his prime.

Why do you keep asking "based on what?"

I've already told you numerous times:

Joe did not want fights of that calibre.

Why is this not sinking in?

The likes of Pavlik and Dawson would have given Joe much more respect and recognition, as well as a bigger pay day than what Roy gave him seeing as though he gave Roy 50% and it did poor on PPV. Yet he wasn't interested.

Earlier fights up at LHW against the likes of Roy and Dariusz, would also have given him more respect and recognition, as well as bigger pay days than the £700,000 he was getting to face the likes of Mario Veit. Yet he wasn't interested.

It can't be any clearer:

He said that he didn't want tough fights.

We know that he was proud of his 21 WBO defences, despite who he fought.

We know that he only had 2 LHW fights in a 15 year career.

What more do you want?

What exactly are you struggling with?

We don't need to hire Columbo to figure this out.

Based on the facts above, again, it's an absolute fantasy to think that Joe would have fought Sergey Kovalev at any point of his career. And it doesn't matter if Joe beat his best win. That is not at all relevant in this discussion.

 

Mate why would he face relative unknown Dawson instead of the HUGE name & the best LHW at that time in Bhop? Especially after beating undefeated SMWs Kessler & Lacy! He'd done the young lion thing..

No risk? Bhop was known to be very good against southpaw's. It was his home nation & a new division against 'the man' at the weight.. Old or not Bhop was a freak & unique & the best fighter overall in the division for me then. No deterrence? The guy was one of the best spoilers in the game & hadn't been beat decisively & convincingly since RJJ... & he clearly did have enough power cos he put him on his welsh batty!

You talk about what Bhop didn't have at the weight etc yet going into JC was an absolute unknown at the weight wasn't he?

& Kovalev wasn't even a pro when JC was active so I can't even be arsed arguing that one.

 

fight him after, not instead of.

simple.


and hopkins wasnt the best LHW. Dawson might have been though.

 

Why didn't he fight Dawson as his swan song? Google 'Calzaghe v Jones purses'..

& why was Dawson in 2008 the best LHW? What had he done to warrant that in your book?

 

i admit that fighting an elite was too big a rish when joe ws post prime, that true,but he did avoid him.

Joe avoided every big name he was feigning interest in, and then fought someone weaker, it was his oldest trick, every other year of his career...until he had to fight lacy and kessler or have nothing his whole career.

 

Well you'd know.. You've dedicated your life to him!

I'm just joshing Herol

 

cheers u are a good pal Licki and funny too.

 

Kovalev? Why are you going on about Kovalev? I replied to your post about Tarver, Pavlik, Dawson etc..

He'd never have fought Kovalev? Well that's pure conjecture & Kovalev was a generation after so it's almost a moot point. You don't know for sure. Nor do I.

I love Kovalev but let's put him in some perspective.. If a 2008 BHOP 'posed no real threat' to a guy you all basically call an 'overrated, bum killing slapper' lol then wtf did a 2014 Bhop pose to 'Andre Wards best win'?! Kovalevs legacy is hugely built off Bhop.. LOL Bhop, Pascal? Who lost to Bhop ..

What is Kovalev best win? It's 50 yr old Bhop! You all laugh at Calzaghe for fighting a 43 year old.. OK actually I admit he should have a win over Ward but again that's a SMW who's LHW legacy is basically Kovalev!!!!! Who's main claim to fame is he fought a a 50 yr old!! LOL Ironic huh....

Only person around at the time similar in some says I suppose was DM maybe.. Did he duck him? I remember very little talk if any of that fight actually & I never heard DM saying he was 'ducking me:...

Peak Kessler was considered a danger man & a very good rival champion & he fought him.

I don't really understand why you're even arguing about Kovalev here tbh.. It's not something I was even discussing.

 

So he avoided Pavlik now as well?....Pavlik would have been stood on his head and if you truly believe JC ducked or avoided him then you clearly are deranged.

As for Calzaghe he fought away from home numerous times....and even if you count only 2, it's 2 more times than Ward who actively avoided unification fights and career high pay days to stay at home and compete in catch as catch can.

JC may have only had 2 fights and Ward 4 but flip the scenario.... if Joe had 4 fights and2 of them was Brand and Sugar Smith jr you would be lambasting them as crap opponents they where and claim Joe was picking his opponents, would you not?

And you seem to be obsessed with Veit....

 

Sorry I forgot the Pavlik part. Why didn't he fight him in 08 instead of wanting to 06? I dunno.. I'm not Calzaghe. What I read was Pavlik declined in 06 & JC probably simply moved on to concentrate on names like Kessler & Hopkins (who were the man everyone wanted to see him fight).. yes Bhop should have happened earlier but as I said I think they approached him in 02 & he wasn't interested from what I can gather. Sorry, I don't buy Calzaghe ducked Pavlik or nor do I think Pavlik would have won any way. Bad style matchup.You'll have to tweet Calzaghe for full clarification.. As it's not something that bothers me or I spend any significant time thinking about.

I'm just writing what I recall.. & yes I'd have preffered it over Roy sure but that's just being an idealist.. The guy made bank against RJJ, smart business.

 

Hopkins v Calzaghe was all set only for Hopkins to change his money demands at the 11th hour....yet Calzaghe still somehow gets the blame.

 

Pretty much what I read.