Lennox Lewis - ''Anthony Joshua doesn't want to fight Deontay Wilder''

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  1. timeout

    timeout Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wrong

    Lewis picked vitali because he was all about the money. Not because he didn't see Ruiz or Byrd as meaningless fights.

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    Pride made him agree a rematch. He knew he got beat that night. He knew that he would of lost a rematch. And there would of been **** loads of cash on the table for that fight. That fight could of broke ppv figures back then. It would of been a bigger fight than Wilder Vs Joshua fact.

    So he threw more than 50 mill away. So let's not go changing record books here Lewis.

    Lewis retired at 38.
    Vitali at 41
    Wlad 42
     
  2. N17

    N17 Loyal Member Full Member

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    If you listened to that interview you know your blatant bias agenda driven drivel is going to crumble rather soon when more details start to emerge.. Actually the more FW opens his mouth.

    And since when is Froch a "Matchroom Insider"? At the heart of operations is he? Works in the Matchroom offices does he? Has his own parking space at Matchroom HQ?

    You really do talk absolute cobblers, Froch just works on Sky and is ridiculed for his boxing opinions most weeks and all of a sudden is a "Matchroom Insider" and should be listened to, Why? Oh right because his opinion ties into yours.

    But I should ignore FW, ignore him stating he has confidentiality clauses about purses, openly admitting he advised Finkle on AJ/Wilder negotiations, the negotions that collapsed?

    Ignore FW might have had a slight conflict of interest when you consider now FW's own fighter is said to be on the verge of a deal with Wilder.

    So I should ignore facts from FW's own mouth and just concentrate on a few Ex fighters opinions who are not involved and haven't been involved in any actual negotiations?


    You need to take a break from these boards, you really have gone in to a full Hearn/AJ hating meltdown.
     
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  3. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council banned Full Member

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    I believe they shall unless someone like Fury beats Wilder first. Nevertheless still good for AJ as it makes fight with Fury even bigger. Wembley may not be big enough.
     
  4. Caper

    Caper How about a fair shake? banned Full Member

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    TKO 6
     
  5. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    This is what made the Heavweight division so exciting during that era, because most of the top heavyweights all shared that same mentality and as a result we had the privilege of witnessing great fights.

    There wasn't this discussion on who has the most of fans, how many ppvs were sold, and a host of other garbage fans today get themselves concerned with.

    Chris Eubank Jr once boasted to Groves that he had a bigger Instagram and twitter following and how did that serve him once in the ring?

    Even Frank Bruno with all of his limitations and lack of confidence ,took fights that today's fighers would have never risked taking.

    This era of heavyweight boxing would be just as exciting if today's fighters had a quarter of the mindset that the fighters of old had.

    It makes me sick when I hear the excuses of why certain fighters are not willing to take fights as if those reasons are somewhat justifiable in relation to credibility.
     
  6. timeout

    timeout Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Exactly it would of been an epic rematch.

    Vitali won the event
     
  7. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Lewis/Vitali wasn't a big fight then. Vitali was good, I'm a big fan of his but he wasn't a big draw. In fact Lewis took a pay cut by agreeing to fight Vitali then instead of later in the year as they had agreed before. This again proves Lewis wasn't just about the money. He could of fought any one as a late replacement for Johnson, but he chose his top contender and was willing to be paid less than he could of been for a Vitali fight.

    "Lennox Lewis has taken a hit of up to $8m (£5m) by agreeing to defend his World Boxing Council heavyweight title against the huge Ukrainian Vitali Klitschko instead of the injured Kirk Johnson at the Staples Center in Los Angeles on June 21.

    Had the fight been held, as planned, in November, and properly promoted as an American pay-per-view event with the cable network HBO, he could have expected to make the higher purse."

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2003/jun/10/boxing.johnrawling

    As for your 2nd point, your only repeating what I already said. I said pride made him agree the rematch, so I guess we agree here. Maybe he would of lost the rematch, I wouldn't of been confident of his chances at his late age but we can only speculate in regards to what would of happened and why Lewis finally decided to retire. It's been done to death on this forum and every other boxing forum.
     
  8. timeout

    timeout Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You missed the second bit of the article

    "Lewis is also rumoured to have been offered and rejected a $20m guarantee from the American promoter Don King for the fight, doubtless reason ing that it remained sensible to keep control of his own destiny."

    20 mill for vital 1?

    Rematch would/could of been a lot more. That's 2003 millions baby not 2018

    So we agree Lewis would of lost.
     
  9. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think everyone of you who side with AJ is a *****. It's the only way the **** they say can possibly speak to you and make sense to you. The fact that you think **** like Shirley Winkle are cute jokes seals the deal.

    Take your pick, you're either a ***** or your real ****ing dumb.

    Most of you are insecure as **** and wear that **** on your sleeve everytime you communicate with anyone....***** that you are.
     
  10. mafioso

    mafioso Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Joshua vs Fury will Never be more lucrative than may/pac
     
  11. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    I don't think any fight will ever be as lucrative simply due to the fact that both Manny and Mayweather were once in a generation fighters. Manny had an entire country worshiping him whilst Mayweather had the world waiting to see him lose.

    AJ vs Fury would have to take place in the uk and we know the uk cannot surmount the ppvs revenue that Las Vegas brings in. Neither do Fury or AJ have that kind of world renowned recognition in their names to break any records outside of the uk

    You're looking at very similar numbers to Wlad vs AJ in terms of figures and such.

    Would be a great fight with a great build up but I think it's an easy job for Fury who will just dance around AJ and play with him like a child playing with a new toy.
     
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  12. IsaL

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    Lennox Lewis was an ATG and nearly 40 years old fighting the best in his division for over a decade.

    LL > VL

    Lewis also never ducked anyone.
     
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  13. timeout

    timeout Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Who is VL????
     
  14. destruction

    destruction Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Good on Lennox Lewis for going public on this.

    I am sure the Hearn dic riders will still be defending the duck, and regurgitating his IFL interviews...but that doesn’t change the facts

    Hearn doesn’t want the fight and is blocking it.
     
  15. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Firstly "rumoured" isn't fact.

    Plus even if it is fact we don't know any details of that deal, when was the fight for even, doubt it would of been as a replacement for Johnson pulling out, likely it would of been later in the year like the Vitali fight was meant to be. Nobody just offers 20 mill for a fight on short notice, was King going to rent out a venue and put together an under card together in 2 weeks for PPV fight, not a chance.

    Plus Lewis hated King he did everything he could to try and not fight for him, why would he give promotional control of a fight he could of easily made without him to a man he distrusted?