Is Froch Wards best win?

Just for the record... Prime Froch would never have beaten prime Kessler

 

Has to be Froch considering he beat an untrained, alcoholic version of Kovalev. Unless you count the first fight as a W for Ward, then it's Kovalev if you take H2H ability over resume.

 

You're going to get some people who vote for fighters out of bias as they're fans yes, but I would think there are less casuals here than there would be elsewhere and so true boxing fans are just going to be honest about who is better surely?

I'm not even a big Froch fan to be honest. I wanted Groves to beat him both times, wanted Calzaghe to come back and slap him (literally), for all the chat about how he was better than him etc etc, so hoping you're not calling me biased.
And I'm definitely not saying he's in any way better than Andre Ward, we were talking about Kessler and Froch, who are not on the same tier as Ward.
I'm one of the few here who seem to have had Ward winning the first Kovalev fight

 

No Sir I am not calling you biased at all. The point I am making is that on this forum there are lots of people biased against Ward and pro Froch. Some of these people are trying to diminish Ward’s victories over Kovalev after what happened at the weekend saying Kovalev was not that good etc. It’s revisionist history at work.

 

I'd like to know what everyone think of this?

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Agreed

 

Judging by your answer I dont think you are too knowledgeable on the division then and that isnt being said to dismiss you. Many didnt know and were fooled by a hyped competition where they got to see who the fighters were

But thats not the case in this scenario

See this is where you dont know the division.
How was Frochs level of opponents higher lol?
Pascal wasnt a top SMW
Taylor wasnt a top SMW
Dirrell wasnt a top SMW
Abraham wasnt a top SMW and coming off a loss
G Johnson had about as many losses at SMW than he did wins and was boiled down and faded.

With Kessler he beat Beyer who was a 3 time SMW champ with a better SMW resume than any of the above at that time
Mundine between SMW title reigns who had done more at the weight than the above
Siaca had a greater win at SMW than any of the above and mixed in a higher class than any of the above at SMW at that time
Sartison who was an undefeated SMW champ
Haussler had done more at SMW than the above at that time
Lucas had done more at SMW than the above at that time

Just to give you a bit of a run down and Kessler had mixed in higher company at that time

What like Hopkins beating Jones?

Are you being serious? Groves was no more than British level when he fought Froch. The only reason that fight looked so good is because of how Froch struggled at that level. That was a lower level than Kessler fought at the majority of time and also that was long after the Ward fight which is what we are discussing when Ward fought the fighters in question.
I am exaggerating but what you are saying is like saying C Mitchell should be rated higher for his win over Hopkins than Jones for example

 

I dont know mate. Kessler after that loss beat Froch and Froch I read had elbow problems when he fought Ward and read he couldnt get his glove up properly

 

Thank you Nonito
Often when facts are laid out it upsets posters who then try and rewrite history

 

Cant recall ever writing he was blind?
I do understand that facts make you very insecure

 

I think many fighters can lose something after a loss and you could be right with Kovalev/Avarez. Who knows.
Bit rich you calling someone a stat man when you use them to suit your agendas

Anyway below

I rate the Kessler win higher
Kessler had a greater SMW resume but many on here didnt know the division before the S6 and fell into a hype trap.


Going into the Ward fight -

Kessler was a world champ who had beaten a world champ to get a title.
Froch had Kesslers vacated title won off a fighter coming off a loss

Froch is credited for beating Bute after the ward loss
Kessler beat Froch after the Ward loss

Froch was on a run in title fights of 5-1
Kessler was on a run of 8-1 in title fights

Froch had never beaten a champion for a title
Kessler had beaten 3 champs for a title

Kessler had only lost to Calzaghe
Froch had lost to Kessler

Froch was coming off some debatable decisions
Kessler was coming off some clear wins


I think Kessler is Wards best win followed by Kovalev and then Froch

 

So you think Kessler was with eye problems and faded also. Still if that Wards best win, so be it. It was still a decent win

 

this is an appalling reply, failey, full of appallingly bad lies.

Beyer was finished.
Mundine won one title defence and then his time was over
Siaca same, there is no way you can argue these two have better SMW pedigree than the Pascal, Taylor, even Dirrell is on par with them at least.

And then you just lie outright with Sartison, he wasnt an undefeated SMW champ!

And you lie outright with Haussler! You just lie outright!

The only case you have is with Lucas, out of all the crap you wrote. So you didnt fail 100%.

 

I didnt realise you were so insecure. Oh dear