Alexander Povetkin vs Luis Ortiz

Takam and Huck weren't helpless against Povetkin.

Ortiz is a good inside fighter with rather slow feet and Povetkin can't fight on the outside, means this would be a telephone booth fight. Povetkin would play into his cards, a fighter like Povetkin is a counterpunchers dream and you can't deny that Ortiz is very good at setting up shots.

How you came to the conclusion that Ortiz would be helpless is beyond me, you must be that big of a Povetkin fan
that you can't analyse fights objectively anymore when he is involved or you must have an agenda.

 

Ortiz can't set his punches up. The guy can't feint. Never saw him throw a single high level feint. Povetkin can feint and set his punches up much better.

Ortiz's counter punches are good against low skilled boxers who don't know how to set their punches up and walk straight into punches idiotically.

Ortiz is like Rigondeaux. Very one dimensional and limited with his weapons and output. Povetkin's high intensity style, mixed with punch variety is all wrong for the one dimensional Luis Ortiz who lacks stamina.

 

Don't forget the guys that live behind his nutsack.

 

I thought I gave a very fair and objective analysis and identified a key weakness that far too many analysts have ignored in their assessments.

Although I did neglect this factor:

 

I didn't say any of that **** Fernando.

Nowhere in any post on this forum have I ever said Luis Ortiz is better than Povetkin. I didn't ***** about Povetkin's ability to do a goddamn thing did I? What did I say? I said Pov's a scared little ***** who won't be fighting anyone near that level didn't I?

When did Povetkin fight Wlad? Yeah how long ago was that? And now he's fighting Joshua right? How old is Kong? The ****'re y'all talking about Povetkin fighting Kong for? After he hugs one out with Josh he's going straight back to the ****in' Takam-Chisora level of **** heads who are only good for building resumes and by the time he find his big boy pants again either he or Kong will be too old for that to matter.

'But Kong dood it too doe' Absolves Povetkin of his ****? Maybe I focused on Pov because he's a ****in' decade long top ten vet. Maybe even if Kong is just as guilty of the same thing he hasn't had time to produce the track record Povetkin has presently. Maybe you assume talking **** about Povetkin equates to exalting Kong over Povetkin because you've a short fuse and even shorter attention span. Either way, you goofy ****, I didn't say Luis is a better fighter, nor did I say he has a better resume, nor did I say he'd be more willing to make the fight. All I said is Povetkin's ***** ass is scared of that caliber fighter. The rest you made up like the **** you are. Sukka D

 

Well ****, I'd direct you to read the last **** I said to Fernando.....You're responding to what you want not what I said. What does Kong's resume have to do with Povetkin being scared of any caliber fighter higher than Chisora or Dimitrenko?

 

As I've said before...

Tell me there's an ending please,
To the endless sucking of Ortiz,
Or tell me when it's going to end,
Before it drives me round the bend,

Don't get me wrong the guy can box,
Within the ring he's a wily fox,
That southpaw stance might confuse some,
So lets agree he is no bum,

But Boogeyman don't be absurd,
The daftest thing I've ever heard,
For as said in countless threads,
He's not looked great since off the PEDS,

And though he fights with dedication,
This dude takes blood pressure medication,
It's Sulaiman he should be thanking,
For somehow messing with his ranking,

So Whyte who tops the WBC list,
Has had his mando hopes dismissed,
And told he has to fight a bout,
With the guy that Wilder just knocked out,

It's We Be Crooks again it seems,
That's screwed with Dillian's title dreams,
And when he tells them 'get to ****'
He stands accused of being a duck,

When he's the guy that fights the best,
Whilst Ortiz beats on all the rest,
And still you kneel to suck his willy,
And that's what makes you sound so silly,

So once again I'm asking please,
Just stop this sucking of Ortiz,

 

^desperate attempt at humor

 

https://goo.gl/images/4SUyn

 

Actually, this thread is a comparison thread which is about comparing Alexander Povetkin with Luis Ortiz. Ergo, the only relevant points in this thread are posts related to comparing Povetkin and Ortiz. Ergo, anything you post, would be inferred as you comparing both those guys. Which is exactly what I've done in my last post.

You criticized Povetkin's level of position. And I pointed out that Ortiz's level of opposition has been even worse. You pointed out Povetkin beat no hopers after they were already exposed. And I pointed out Luis Ortiz also did the same thing, but arguably at an even worse level. Want to know why? Because as you should know, this thread is about COMPARING Povetkin and Ortiz. Which is exactly what I've done.

You seem to have a problem with me sticking to the topic of this thread and making relevant points in relation to this thread. Whilst you act like I'm going off topic. It's you who should stick to the topic, because this isn't a 'criticize Povetkin only thread', which was what your previous post was solely about, which is totally irrelevant to the topic of this tread. This is a Povetkin vs Ortiz thread, asking who is better.

Don't tell me that my response to you has nothing to do with what you posted, when your own post (by your own admission) has absolutely nothing to do with the actual topic of this thread itself.

Luis Ortiz doing what Povetkin did (that may have been negative), does not 'absolve' Povetkin. But it certainly doesn't prove Ortiz is BETTER than Povetkin. That's for sure! And if it doesn't, then it's an irrelevant point you raised that has absolutely nothing to do with this thread. Considering the only relevant points in this thread are points that prove one guy being better than the other.

You should either work on your reading comprehension, or take some logic courses, or do both. Since you seem abysmal and lacking in both those attributes.

 

Povetkin, although the 39 year old Ortiz has looked better than the 39 year old Povetkin, which accounts for something.

In their 'primes', Povetkin. But I do rate him quite highly, maybe too highly. I've stuck by the idea that the Povetkin of 5 years ago would beat current AJ.

 

The Povetkin from 2013-2016 wins. Now, I'm favouring Ortiz a little.

 

Would be a very competitive and tough fight for either of them. Hard shots being traded but when it comes down to it Povetkin would win via KO, probably with a vicious right hand, like the one the KO'ed Mike Perez, who as an amateur went 1-1 with Ortiz. Ortiz like most southpaws is a sucker for the right hand.

Yes Ortiz hits hard and yes he likes fighters that come to him who he doesn't have to chase and who he can time with counters, but this isn't a feather fisted Jennings or a journeymen like Allen. Ortiz's best chance is to stop Povetkin early, he can't get involved in a drawn out battle of attrition because with his stamina and work rate he'll get overwhelmed and viciously KO'ed.

If Povetkin had a weak chin then yeah I could see an Ortiz early KO but he doesn't his chin is pretty damn good. Wlad couldn't stop him, he took Price's best, Takam hit him flush again and again moving him with his shots and Povetkin took them all. I see Ortiz's gas tank emptying before Povetkin's chin cracks.

 

Twas a left hook and Perez went into that fight drunk. A fully trained and sober Perez took uppercuts from Breidis without buckling.
You could also say Kongs uppercut would be Povetkin's undoing since he looks wide open to that punch.

Look to the southpaw Chageav fight as a gauge of how it may pan out. Povetkin didn't dominate him , but he beat him clearly

Give Chaggy more size , a whopping 8 more inches in reach , better counter punching ability and an uppercut and he could have won the fight. He gave Povetkin a few minor scares as he was.
Povetkin probably edges it prime for prime , but if they fought now Id go with Ortiz.

 

Goddamn son, I did compare them. I said Povetkin's scared of Ortiz level fighters....Ortiz is included in Ortiz level fighters. You just went off on this bull**** about who is better than who. I didn't speak to that at all, I spoke to who is scared of who. They are being compared they're just not being compared how you want them to be.

I read about a quarter of the second paragraph. I don't mean any disrespect, but I don't need a recap of your inability to follow my lead. You're responding to me....you don't get to just make up the direction the conversation goes, it does need to be relevant to the **** I say.

Again, it does have to do with the topic.....which is Pov vs Luis open ended but even if it was just a fight-fighter comparison I'd still be on topic. Your frustration has me assuming English isn't your first language? Take a breathe, lean back, and think. We might talk about talent at some point but at the moment I criticized Povetkin for being a coward. The transitive of that would be Ortiz is not a coward. You're not trying to prove to me that Pov isn't a coward or that Ortiz is you're talking about who is better than who.

As far as you last point, um....what the hell damn guy? I don't understand what you're trying to say but let me make this clear; in a thread about X fighting Y X being scared of Y is a ****ing relative point. It's not my fault you are so short sighted you seem to think the only thing at play in a VS thread is skill set. Povetkin's skills did not get him hugged out by Wlad. He is better than that. Povetkin's ***** ass lack of stones did, he refused to take a risk. All I'm doing is highlighting how you morons always talk about the same **** like it's the only value to discuss. Here's a new one you never thought of that's so fresh you have a hard time wrapping your mind around; one of these men is more scared of competition than the other.