Why I think GGG is a top 15 all-time middleweight.

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Mendoza, Apr 13, 2018.


Is Golovkin a top 15 all time great at middle weight?

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  2. No

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  1. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    I don't rate Bernard's win over Oscar, especially as he got a gift against Sturm. But how can you say he was a blown up LW? What's all that about? He was a proven WW and JMW, who fought at LW when he was younger.

    Tito also wasn't a blown up WW.

    Stop being silly. Otherwise I'll say that Canelo lost to a blown up SFW in Floyd.
     
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  2. Loudon

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    Realistically, he would have had losses had he have followed Bernard's exact timeline. But would Bernard have endured any had he have followed GG's?
     
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  3. BCS8

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    Yes but you're gathering answers that hyperbolic.
     
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  4. BCS8

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    The only guy I can see that would be favoured over Golovkin on Hopkins' MW run is Jones Junior. Hopkins may have been able to replicate Golovkin's run but it just takes one bad night against a Jacobs, Canelo, Murray etc to get the L. I can only speculate.
     
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  5. HerolGee

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    "u trying to say ggg is superior to monzon?" -

    obviously this is your interpretation of a hyperbolic reply, yourself not noticing it wasnt hyperbolic, but it was underlining the point Mendozas was.

    Keep writing the opposite of the facts, its something you excel at.
     
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  6. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yes, and it works both ways.

    Also, Bernard fought Taylor in his 40's.
     
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  7. BCS8

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    Interpretations underlining points as Mendoza of the facts, you think. You didn't notice the reply!
     
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  8. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    u didnt
     
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  9. BCS8

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    Herol obviously the underline both ways. In fact the hyperbolic!
     
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  10. Mendoza

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    I'm with you on the gift win vs Strum. Oscar, who's power went away once he moved up in class was lucky vs Strum.

    Didn't Oscar start out at lightweight? That's why I said blown up light weight.
     
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  11. Loudon

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    Yes, he started out a LW, but a guy who had good-great wins at WW and JMW, can't be labelled a "blown up LW"

    It's just silly and disrespectful.

    What if I said that GG struggled with a JMW who got beaten by a blown up SFW?
     
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  12. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    GGG is a nice guy. He's brought fans to the sport. We love puncher s(boxing fans) especially when they have an understated skill set to with his power. Then they become real stars. I've enjoyed watching him work.

    Hopefully the fans won't come down on him too hard when Canelo stops him next month. He's 36 probably not as quick as he once was. He still made a good contribution.
     
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  13. dinovelvet

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    The greater / better fighter is usually determined by the rematch. Canelo made the adjustments like a true ATG.

    Golovkin will be known for coming up short against the best he faced. Harsh but true.
     
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  14. Mendoza

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    GGG won the fight. Look at the media cards! The best Canelo did was ESPN Mexico, who called it a draw!

    GGG vs Canelo 2 score cards!

    Brian Campbell (CBS sports): 116-112 Golovkin
    Dan Rafael (ESPN): 114-114 draw
    Salvador Rodríguez (ESPN Mexico): 114-114 draw
    Gareth A Davies (The Telegraph): 116-112 Golovkin
    Josh Peter (USA Today): 115-113 Golovkin
    Sports Illustrated: 114-114 draw
    Dylan Hernandez (LA Times): 115-113 Golovkin
    Lance Pugmire (La Times): 114-114 draw
    *******: 114-114 draw
    Chris Mannix (Yahoo! Sports): 115-113 Golovkin
    Kevin Iole (Yahoo! Sports): 114-114 draw
    The Guardian: 116-112 Golovkin
    Joe DePaolo (Washington Post): 115-113 Golovkin
    The Associated Press: 114-114 draw
    Bill Simmons (HBO and The Ringer): 114-114 draw
    Steven Muehlhausen (Sporting News): 116-112 Golovkin
    Michael Montero (MonteroOnBoxing): 115-113 Golovkin
    George Willis (New York Post): 114-114 draw
    Jeff Powell (Daily Mail): 116-113 Golovkin
    Mike Coppinger (Ring Magazine): 114-114 draw
    Sherdog . com: 116-112 Golovkin
    Jai Bednall (news . com . au): 115-113 Golovkin
    Brian Mazique (Forbes): 114-114 draw
    Adam Abramowitz (Ring Magazine and SN Boxing): 115-113 Golovkin
    Tom Craze (Bad Left Hook): 116-112 Golovkin
    Fraser Coffeen (Bloody Elbow): 115-113 Golovkin
    Matt Christie (Boxing News): 115-114 Golovkin
    Below The Belt Podcast: 115-113 Golovkin
    World Boxing News: 115-113 Golovkin


    Harold Lederman (HBO Sports): 116-112 Golovkin

    Brian Campbell (CBS sports): 116-112 Golovkin

    Dan Rafael (ESPN): 114-114 draw

    Salvador Rodríguez (ESPN Mexico): 114-114 draw

    Gareth A Davies (The Telegraph): 116-112 Golovkin

    Josh Peter (USA Today): 115-113 Golovkin

    Dylan Hernandez (LA Times): 115-113 Golovkin

    Lance Pugmire (La Times): 114-114 draw

    Box Scene: 114-114 draw

    Chris Mannix (Yahoo! Sports): 115-113 Golovkin

    Kevin Iole (Yahoo! Sports): 114-114 draw

    The Guardian: 116-112 Golovkin

    Joe DePaolo (Washington Post): 115-113 Golovkin

    Mike Coppinger (Ring Magazine): 114-114 draw

    Sherdog: 116-112 Golovkin

    Jai Bednall (news.com.au): 115-113 Golovkin

    Brian Mazique (Forbes): 114-114 draw

    Adam Abramowitz (Ring Magazine and SN Boxing): 115-113 Golovkin


    Tom Craze (Bad Left Hook): 116-112 Golovkin

    Fraser Coffeen (Bloody Elbow): 115-113 Golovkin

    The Associated Press: 114-114 draw

    Bill Simmons (HBO and The Ringer): 114-114 draw

    Steven Muehlhausen (Sporting News): 116-112 Golovkin

    Michael Montero (MonteroOnBoxing): 115-113 Golovkin

    Matt Christie (Boxing News): 115-114 Golovkin

    George Willis (New York Post): 114-114 draw

    Below The Belt Podcast: 115-113 Golovkin

    World Boxing News: 115-113 Golovkin

    Jeff Powell (Daily Mail): 116-113 Golovkin
     
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  15. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    I thought he won the rematch more clearly if anything.

    Going forward doesn't count for anything when you're getting hit more.
     
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