I have mentioned Calzaghes hand injuries but they are not relevant to this thread. I have read Kessler had a hand problem but he said after the fight it wasnt an issue and that it didnt hurt due to adrenalin. Calzaghe also had a long history of hand problems, many fighters do. still as said you would go on about Calzaghe due to insecurity and when on a Ward thread and then say Loudon is right lol. Not too predictable ellerbe and just case of you still being upset when I corrected you on a Wilder thread. Obviously still sore lol Now as said, it doesnt remove that it was a decent win for Ward, as said earlier, Frazier had eye problems but was one of Ali and Foremans best wins
Other threads havent been about Wards best win, its been about comparing wins or SMW wins and fights. Completely different thing and now we can on this thread appreciate it as arguably Wards best win
So you never brought up Kessler's hand injuries. Got it. What did you correct me on? I honestly don't remember. I don't even remember talking to you recently. I just know you're a big Zaggers fan, that's all.
Dont think so, because Kessler said the hand wasnt a problem. I can only go by what the fighter actually says. Can you show me where he said it was hurting him? If he said it was a problem that would be another point but he said it didnt hurt due to adrenalin. He did mention he had vision problems though around the Ward fight. Now as said, it doesnt remove that it was a decent win for Ward, as said earlier, Frazier had eye problems but was one of Ali and Foremans best wins https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/o...bout-with-Carl-Froch-at-Londons-02-Arena.html It mentions he didnt realise and didnt hurt, and was fighting only 4 months after Calzaghe, beating an undefeated champ and he fought about 7 months before Calzaghe beating a then undefeated prospect Calzaghe had hand issues throughout and even mentions a problem during the Kessler fight himself https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/b...ny-Joshua-Carlos-Takam-Chris-Eubank-EXCLUSIVE
then its his failing as a boxer, not wards fault. Ward destoryed the number one guy from the division above, and then repeated the feat twice more with kov.
Chad Dawson had the best resume of any Ward opponent at the time they fought. He was 33-1-1, with wins over Adamek, Tarver x2, Johnson x2, and Hopkins.
If course stats are important but your struggle is applying them with context, sport is deeper than numbers on pages. No, I did, because that's how the fight went with Dirrell, I was laughing at you making out like that was a downer on Froch's win by saying he was coming off a loss even though it was a DQ loss in which he also got cut up and repeatedly received low blows from Dirrell which were allowed to continue. But we're not discussing at the time. We're talking about now. After Kovalev's recent loss. That is the context of this thread. What we think NOW. After retirement, Froch is the greater of the two fighters and both are probably above Kovalev too, so that would make Froch his biggest win on paper. The standout when you look at his record. I feel you have now changed your original argument from who is the better of the two, to who was better at the time they fought each other. No hype ever catches me up, I appreciate good fights, don't care if they're involved in a tournament or not, I just want to see good, competitive fights made. If tournaments help with that then all the better.
Kovalev is an overhyped fighter, hyped as some kind of 'Monster' to appeal to the US fans at a time when, post Mayweather, no US fighters stood out. Kovalev showed how basic he was against Hopkins. Then he had two fights, where irrespective of the controversial low blows, he couldn't put a significant dent in a career SMW.
Here are your opinions on Andre Ward's win over Kessler, across 2 different threads: "Ward's best win is unwell, double vision suffering rusty Kessler" "Ward's best win is an unwell double vision suffering past prime fighter, who was arguably rusty and hadnt fought a top SMW for 3 years that old shot end of career Calzaghe beat when prime and undefeated" If that's what you believe, then surely beating Kovalev at LHW ranks higher?
I never changed my argument it was always who was better at the time but even now I think Kessler was better overall, though dont think Kessler, Kovalev and Froch are million miles apart either. I dont think it can be argued who was better at the time of the respective fights. Look at the run Froch was on with debatable decisions going back to when he won his title in his 5 title wins 3 were considered debatable to some and one was a last minute victory. None were to top SMWs. That was Frochs run going in. As for greater fighter overall, I would still go with Kessler. Even when suffering eye problems and coming off a loss he was still able to beat Froch and Kessler wasnt as good as he had been at that point. Overall resume I would have to slightly go with Kessler with his wins over Beyer and Froch and have also mentioned Froch beating hot prospects but Kessler did that as well with wins over undefeated Sartison and undefeated Andrade. I dont think it was a downer to say about Froch beating Abraham coming off a loss. you note was a DQ but Abraham wasnt exactly winning that fight or close in rounds. He was coming off a loss and was at that time allegedly saying he was too small for SMW https://www.boxingnews24.com/2010/1...thinking-of-moving-back-down-to-middleweight/