Does SRL have the best 4 wins of any resume?

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  1. Webbiano

    Webbiano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    True, but if you scored the Hagler fight against Leonard and thought Hearns beat him the second time they fought then the same position can be held against Leonard. Hypothetically speaking of course, in reality Duran is the only guy that he 'lost' to.
     
  2. mcvey

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    It could be justly argued he was conceding weight to Lamotta, and was past prime for both Basilio and Fullmer.
    Battling Battalino has wins over:
    Freddie Miller
    Bushy Graham
    Fidel La Barba
    Bud Taylor
    Panama Al Brown
    Kid Chocolate
    Cocoa Kid
    Al Singer
    How many here have even heard of him?
    Bob Montgomery has wins over:
    Ike Williams
    Lew Jenkins
    Fritzie Zivic
    Beau Jack
    Allie Stolz
    Petey Scalzo

    Sammy Mandell beat:
    McLarnin
    Dundee
    Canzoneri
    Petrolle
    Terris
    How often is he mentioned here?
     
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  3. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Floyd:

    Pac
    Marquez
    DLH
    Mosley

    Pac:

    Barrera
    Marquez
    Morales
    Cotto

    Not up there with SRL:s best, but just to throw some good wins out there.

    Pea could have had one hell of a column if decision just had gone a little bit more his way:

    Chavez
    DLH
    Nelson
    Ramirez
     
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  4. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Jones beating Hopkins, Toney, Hill, and Tarver is pretty good.
     
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  5. JohnThomas1

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    If we were counting multiples Charles has Moore x 3 as well.
     
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  6. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    NOTE: Everyone of the names you listed for Mayweather jr has one thing in common. Everyone of them were in their mid, late thirties . Not one was close to prime. Two of the fighters best fighting weights was at featherweight. Their was absolutely nothing great, or even very good about them by the time he fought them other than their names. And when Mayweather Jr's career is scrutinized that pattern pops up its ugly head his entire welter/super welter history.
     
  7. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Alvarez was as green as new grass when he fought Mayweather, and still haven't proved he's going to The hall of fame though he did fight pretty evenly with that other 'unbeatable" fighter from the modern fans perepective Triple G. (And what does that say about Triple G?) Cotto was defeated far more convincingly by Pac 4 fights and 3yrs earlier, and by Margrito prior to that, went 3-3 his last 6 fights after Mayweather, he was deep in the valley by the time he fought Mayweather regardless of the age. (When a fighter engages in as many wars Cotto had, they tend to burn out faster) Pac had recently been blasted by Marquez, was showing serious slippage against Bradly prior to that fight, and has had a total of 4 fights since the Mayweather fight, went 3-1, losing to the illustrious J,Horn whom would've been destroyed by Pac a few yrs earlier. Deloyhoya was clearly on the decline by the time he fought May and went 1-1 and was destroyed by Pac, than retired. Mosley was 39 yrs old, went 3-4 AFTER Mayeather, and was beginning to slide as early as 2002, Marquez had 11 title defenses at feather/super feather he only fought at light weight once, (and I'm going strictly off memory) how was he better at lightweight, than at feather? That's completely wrong. And again Pac and Marquez best fighting weight was around the feather limit. Though they had their most recognizable fights at the welter limit by the casual fan. You can shade it the way you choose but most knowledgeable fans recognize how a fighter looks when they are beyond prime , and with the exception of Alvarez, almost every victory over a name opponent Mayweather had at welter was beyond, or well beyond their primes.
     
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  8. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    As others have shown there are FAR better resumes than this, Ray lost to Duran first fight , and got a gift decision against Hagler.
     
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  9. FrankinDallas

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    So many good ones but I'll go with Langford and/or Greb.
     
  10. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ray and easily.

    hearns- unbeaten at the time.
    Benitez - unbeaten at the time.
    Hagler - hadnt lost in YEARS.
    Kalue- unbeaten at the time .
    Duran- had only ONE loss at the time.

    And four of the five didnt see the final bell . Four are alltime greats .
    One is considered to be top ten jr.middle.
     
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  11. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Gift is a strong word for that bout was controversial. Ray fought a Helluva fight though. I understand what Hagler people must have felt to lose it that way. At the end of the day I think Leonard edged it. Brain over brawn.
     
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  12. JohnThomas1

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    Certainly wasn't a gift.
     
  13. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So How many fights did Cotto have after Mayweather jr ?How many did Pac? Did Pac not lose to someone named Horn? Do you really believe Horn would've heard the final bell just a few yrs earlier? Marquez was a natural welter is that what your insinuating because he had a few wins, AFTER the Mayweather fight at welter? Actually Alvarez was at 40-0 before Mayweather, But Eric Lasch was something over 50 wins before he fought L.Holmes in the 90's . A fighter can have over a 100 wins over suspect competition, but it doesn't mean he's ready for world class competition. as Lasch found out against a beyond prime Holmes, as Alvarez found out against Mayweather jr. Cotto lost to Margrito, you can come up with every excuse in the world for it. Pac lost to Horn and Bradly. You can make excuses for that too. But I ask you since your such a knowledgeable fan, do they lose those fights in their primes at their best fighting weight. I don't need to insult you as you've done to me. The insults and the anger you display tells me more about your age and intelligence than speaking personally to you. And by the way, Completely is spelled like I wrote it. Serious is spelled the way I wrote it. You didn't have the intelligence to correct it on a computer with a spell checker on it. Tells me everything I need to know about your true intelligence and age.
     
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  14. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Could I please have one more wall of text on your man-obsession?
     
  15. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    technically speaking, yes

    and he'd be an all time great truly, had he retired after the Hagler fight

    instead, he was exposed as an opportunist awaiting actual GREAT fighters to slow down to a crawl

    and then there was the Lalonde fiasco

    once a REAL fighter showed up WITH SPEED and movement, the rest of the public saw for itself what I already knew