Roy Jones Jr. vs GGG @160

GGG is too hittable for the much faster Jones. GGG gets KOed late and possibly ruined due to his own pride and toughness.

And for those saying that GGGs fundamentals would make the fight harder for Jones... no. He's just too straight up and down, has no slickness to his offense or defense. Jones' unorthodox style will throw GGG off and shut his offense down to nothing. Hell, if Canelo can do it, Jones does it at a whole different level.

 

No.

He was in a position of power.

He didn't need to.

Floyd never travelled.

Roy was the consensus no.1 P4P fighter in the world, he had all 3 belts, and he fought on HBO.

The Dariusz saga has been done to death.

You know why Roy wouldn't go to Germany. He had valid reasons. You also know that along with his advisors, HBO did all they could to try and secure the Dariusz fight in the U.S.

You know that you're not telling the full story when you claim that Roy ducked Dariusz. Not wanting to fight him in Germany does not constitute as ducking him. Not after his ordeal in the Olympics, the horrible decisions that happened in Germany at the time, as well as the fact that he'd already seen Dariusz cheat in order to get one of his opponents disqualified.

 

Great post.

 

Thats what you are missing. I wonder if GGGs footwork would not allow Roy to get out of range forcing him into a fight he may not like

 

Stop being silly Loudon. Your bias for Jones is crazy. Im not saying he ducked anyone but lets not pretend that the belts were a factor when they were mostly belts DM vacated.
DM was the man at the weight. The champ. Lets not gloss over that

 

I would challenge anyone to consider the kinds of shots Jacobs and Canelo landed on GGG, then consider those being landed by RJJ. I respect GGG, he's been a great champion, RJJ beats the p!ss out of him...he is too fast, too quick, to many layers to his game, he's simply on another level.

 

Jones and its not close. Likely by stoppage. If Canelo was faster and was able to land combinations on GGG what in the holy f#%K do you think a Prime 160lbs Roy would do?!!! Itd be ugly.

 

It amazes me that people just can't understand this concept. GGG can punch and bring pressure but against Jones it won't matter because he won't land enough on RJJ to win rounds. People act like RJJ was some plodder who was easy to hit, the guy was quicker than a cat. Also what people forget about Jones was that he had big power especially at 160 I'm not sure that GGG is even a bigger puncher than RJJ at 160 in fact I would bet that RJJ had more power than GGG at 160.

 

GGG by KO early, Roy is 49 years old and hasn't made middleweight in 24 years.

Or if we're talking prime for prime then this thread should be in the Classics section but since it's here then Roy schools Triple Hype, wins every round and doesn't take a flush shot the whole fight. The Kazakh Tortoise couldn't pin down Canelo FFS, he was missing badly all night, I dread to think what Superman would do to him.

 

I can't envisage it.

Roy's athleticism would have gotten him out of range, and GG is too hittable with a short reach.

 

Of course you cant envisage it.
Did you envisage Roy being knocked down by Del Valle?
We are talking MW and Roy was still early in his career and was having a competitive fight with Hopkins who was not fighting a world champ at that point.
In this encounter Roy would have been going in with an experienced world champ which he didnt do at MW. I did rate Jones win over Castro but GGG has title experience

Try and picture that scenario.
It becomes a tougher fight to call

 

This has been done to death.

Yes, Dariusz lost 2 of his titles out of the ring. And nobody likes seeing that. It's not good for the sport. But like I've said numerous times, although I can't condone harmful politics, I refuse to believe that Dariusz and his shrewd promoter, Peter Kohl, wasn't aware of the rulings that were in place by the organisations. I would genuinely like to ask Kohl to share the details. Because the WBO were formed from disgruntled ex members of the WBA, and I believe that the WBA also stripped other fighters who tried to hold the WBO alongside their belt. So the question you have to ask, is: If they knew of the rulings, why didn't they relinquish the WBO belt to keep the IBF and the WBA belts? That is a fair question that I'd love to know the answer to. Because at the time, the WBO were a lightly regarded organisation, who had little respect, due to their ranking systems etc.

None of the above had anything to do with Roy. He obtained the IBF and the WBA belts fairly after beating Lou Del Valle and Reggie Johnson. Yes, the whole boxing world wanted Roy and Dariusz to fight. But not wanting to go to Germany doesn't constitute as a duck. Again, not when he'd been scarred from the Seoul Olympics, Germany was notorious for awful decisions, and he'd seen the guy who he was going to fight, feign injury in order to get one of his opponents disqualified a few years prior. Now if he had no intentions of fighting Dariusz at all, then you could label it as a duck. But if you read Kerry Davis' account of what happened, who was the VP of HBO, you'll see that Roy was more than happy to fight Dariusz in the U.S.

 

Bailey, I can't envisage it at all.

Not because he's my 'hero' and I don't want to envisage him losing etc.

It comes down to styles.

The MW's who I'd have given a shot at beating Roy, would have been peak versions of Mike McCallum and Michael Nunn. They may have been better MW's of the past than those two, but I'm looking at the ones who I'm familiar with, and the stylistic match up solely from the perspective of Roy.

In my opinion, at his best, Mike was a genius in the ring. I think he's underrated today, and under different circumstances, he could have beaten all of the 'Fab Four'

Nunn would have been very problematic as he was a southpaw with a 77" reach, who would have feinted with Roy, due to his great speed and reflexes.

GG is a great fighter, and I'm genuinely a fan. He possesses some great attributes. He has subtle skills, great power, he possesses great pressure, a great chin and he's extremely confident. He's a very dangerous proposition for any MW. But his weaknesses are that he's very easy to hit due to not having great head movement, he's very slow in comparison to Roy, and he hasn't got a big reach. Michael Nunn's reach was about 7" longer. Now I've seen Kell Brook, a former WW with a 69" reach, hit him with flush combinations. I've seen Jacobs give him a tough fight. And I've just seen Canelo keep him in the centre of the ring, where GG was hesitant to pour forward.

At 24/25, Roy would have had enough experience to have dealt with GG. He'd beaten Castro, he'd beaten Bernard with an injured hand, and he'd knocked out Tate and Malinga.

Regarding Del Valle, yes that was a great shot. But Del Valle was a former sparring partner, and he was southpaw who possessed a bigger reach than GG, who was also a big LHW.

Based on what I've seen from both guys, I would have made Roy a huge favourite.

 

I have said that I didnt call it a duck. What I have said is lets not gloss over that Dariusz was the man at the weight. the champ and Roy didnt face him.
Roy didnt seem to appear to be interested in those tough European fights IMO ie Michalczewski, Tiozzo, Maske, Rocchigiani, Erdei etc. thats only talking LHW
go to SMW and he didnt get those tough European fights ie Benn, Collins, Calzaghe, Collins
Do you think Jones would have faced Golovkin at MW?

 

I favour Roy also but do you think Roy would have taken it. That is my question