Cracking the MW Top 10

Calzaghe was born in London! BTW he fought in Prague as an amateur .What Ottke did has no bearing on a discussion about Calzaghe.
BTW Ottke had 8 fights in Magdeburg not 6 and he only fought outside Germany once , he risked a visit to Austria!lol
Calzaghe fought outside Wales 31 times including twice in the US.

 

First of all you said it was difficult to get Calzaghe out of Wales .NOT TRUE he fought there just 15 times

You brought Ottke into the conversation!Only you know what relevance he as to anything.

 

It's probably the most stacked division historically.

 

ps Spandua does not have an arena that would be profitable hosting a big boxing card.
Calzaghe was born in Hammersmith he never appeared there.

 

OK - Not sure what all that means; I can't decipher from it, which parts are about cracking the Middleweight Top-10 of All time. Ultimately, Golovkin can't really do it, based on where he is and what he has left to work with.

 

Golovkin is getting to the part of his career where the guys he has beaten are going to have to do the heavy lifting for his reputation. If he beats Canelo and Canelo rules MW for another 5-6 years, that in itself would be a big boost. Same for Jacobs etc.

 

UOTE="Ra's Al-Ghul, post: 19346197, member: 108619"]Because he is mentioned hometwon boxer often, but Calzaghe fought in about 32% of his career at his hometown, Ottke maybe in 3%.[/QUOTE]
Except Calzaghe's hometown was Hammersmith London.
Calzaghe fought
Bika in Manchester
Lacy in Manchester
Pudwill in Newcastle
Woodall in Sheffield
Reid in Newcastle
Veit2 inGermany
Hopkins in Vegas
Jones in New York
Sheika at Wembley
McIntire in Copenhagen
Torres in Bristol
Starie in Manchester
And many others around the country.
You don't have a clue what you are talking about.

 

Canleo, Jacobs, and Saunders are young enough to fight on so we shall see.

In some ways I think Golovkin will be lifted up in status when he reties, and fans say and the media will say, holy cow, he broke the record of consecutive middle weight title defenses, and also beat his best competition at an age when Greb, Monzon and Hagler were retired.

We have an ATG puncher, one who was never floored and is still undefeated. He can't control the judges or other fighters who ducked him ( Martinez, Cotto, ) but looking past that, he's got some stand out achievements that tower above a very good historical field.

 

It's tough for me. 160 is the most stacked class in history in my book. GGG's biggest flaw is that he signed with the wrong promoter coming out and has spent the years since he got to the states making up for lost time.

To get to top 10? First, you have to be the best MW over a ten year span, and if we start at Fitzsimmons, that still isn't enough to make you a lock since that was over 100 years ago. GGG passes the eye test, and will probably be the best of the '10's. But, we don't know for sure (maybe his career falls off a cliff), and his resume being handicapped from the first half of his career would hurt.

It's a fine line, and I don't think I'd argue hard either for or against someone on either side of the fence. He does have a case, and that's impressive enough given how stacked 160 is historically.

 

So he had in total 4 fights abroad, including one against a fellow-countryman, while he got his highest purse against Veit ever (five million Euro, which were over ninety percent) in a mandatory, while Hopkins and Jones were the bigger stars, he got another level of purses there and was the challenger vs. the first. But was at least 42 times the home boxer (even if Reid, Starie and Woodhall had it closer, but his promoter organized the events).

So his residence is in London? I didn't know this (and think it is nonsense), though his house is in Wales, where his father has his gym...[/QUOTE]
**** me, the amount of things you don't know would fill this forum to overflowing!
He wasnt the home boxer for any of those I mentioned FFS!
He fought Reid,Starie ,Woodall,Jones,Hopkins,Veit,on their home turf ! God you are dense!

 

It's tough for Golovkin to crack the top 10 but I think 6-10 at middleweight is pretty open. He would be a consideration for me if he wins and wins emphatically against Canelo. I'm talking a full-on Hagler-Hearns style win - that could do it.

 

While your would fill some oceans...

He fought Veit at his backyard, in 1999, and in 2006 in Braunschweig, which is some hundred kilometers away from Cottbus (Veits hometown, near the border of Poland) , as Pruisen is only a little bit more near to it than Britain. Woodhalls hometown is Telford, where demolished him Beyer more than a year previous, not Sheffield (this is it maybe of Hide or Woods) and Manchester is probably not the hometown of Reid.

By the way is not the place of your birth, but where you live mainly regarded as hometown (which is one cause for Fitzsimmons beging Australian)...

So you seems to known a lot less and came to a gun-shooting with a kniefe...[/QUOTE]
Fitzsimmons was an American citizen.
I really should charge you for this education.

 

He has Australian nationality, as he lived most of his life there, just as was grown at Down Under up. Everything else is just a second passport (sub citizenship), as it exist still, like of Marlin Otai of Estonia or some Yugoslavian state, or of Steven Segal of Russia.
Lewis is rather Canadian, than Fitzsimmons American...

When get I paid from you?[/QUOTE]
Wrong yet again Fitzsimmons moved to Australia in1883 and left there in 1890!
He was a resident less than 7 years and never took out citizenship!
Don't you get tired of being wrong all the time?
Iv'e made a thread concerning Pender ,Steele, Apostoli ,and Giardello you should find it educational!

 

I give you a tip: If you could think deeper about it, you possible will find out, Fitzsimmons not only didn't need to get "Australian citizenship", but also couldn't attempt to get this (as such thing didn't exist)... As he also had no "New Zealandian citizenship" and could not get it anyway! [/QUOTE]
Your statement was this.

"He has Australian nationality, as he lived most of his life there" .
Copied word for word.

Fact Fitzsimmons lived in Australia less than seven years!
I knew once again you wouldn't be able to bring yourself to admit you were wrong.
You were once rather unintentionally amusing on this forum.
Now you're just an ignorant ass,who daily mugs himself by illustrating the extent of what he doesn't know about boxing!