How does Tony Zale do against the murderers row?

"LaMotta feared no man"

He was active in the same division as Charles, Moore, and Burley between 1942 and 1945. Which one did he fight? He was also active in the same division as Moore and Harold Johnson in 1951 and 1952. Which one did he fight?

In fairness to him, he did face Marshall and lost badly. He also took on a slipping Williams in 1946 after Williams started losing. Fair enough, but let's not overdo it. Jake picked his spots against smaller men. Robinson was interesting because it seems to be a no-lose situation. Jake stays high in the middle ratings regardless of how often he loses to the welter Robinson.

"LaMotta was Graziano's policeman."

Name the man LaMotta eliminated for Graziano. Williams? Cerdan had already done that. Bell and Janiro? Welters. Burley? Jake never got into the ring with him.

In truth, it was Robinson who was LaMotta's policeman. Belloise is rated ahead of LaMotta going into 1949 and does not lose but Jake gets the title shot while Belloise is eliminated by Robinson. Jake then as champion loses badly to Robert Villemain, who follows up with a win over Kid Gavilan. So Jake puts the title on the line against Villemain? No. Villemain gets to fight Robinson while Jake pads his record against the easier Mitri.

There is a lot to the Bronx "bull" to deserve that nickname.

 

"What Graziano did was the definition of picking his spots."

I have to agree with this.

Doesn't mean Jake didn't pick his spots also.

"Bert Lytell"

yes, but LaMotta fought a green version who was coming off two losses to Henry Chmielewski. Once Lytell started winning and moved to the top of the ratings, LaMotta was no where to be found.

"Williams"

A top fighter on the downhill slope coming off a loss to Cerdan.

"Marshall"

If this fight proved anything, it was that Jake wasn't able to handle a top black fighter his own size. Probably explains why he ducked Charles, Moore,and Burley over the years.

 

Is that what I said. Or did I say and I quote Springs Toledo said it so it must be true. See here's the thing with you man this is exactly what I said yet you have me saying something completely fabricated. How in Gods name do you get one from the other?? What is wrong with you?

 

What does this have to do with what I posted??

 

Just like I provided written sources and TV interview with Ray Arcel stating that Dempsey would have destroyed Wills. ...You dismissed that and didn't want to hear it so is your source now better because it falls into what you want to hear?
Everyone and there brother knows Burley is a much much better fighter than Rocky to the point of why ask the question??

 

I'm puzzled why you never agreed with Ray Arcels quote. I'm sure Arcel is more knowledgeable about boxing than Toledo but it just doesn't fit into what you wanted to hear.

 

Lytell was not rated when LaMotta fought him. He was coming off losses two losses to Henry Chmielewski. After he beat Williams and Burley and moved high in the ratings, LaMotta avoided him. Williams is a good scalp, but was slipping and coming off a loss to Cerdan.

"How many black murderer's row did Graziano fight?"

None, but then those were WWII era fighters and Graziano didn't really start moving until 1945. Perhaps he was as bad as you say, but Graziano did KO Brimm who drew with Robinson, and also KO'd Hudson who defeated LaMotta, as well as Burton who was the #1 welter contender in 1947 but never got a shot at Robinson. Like LaMotta, one can argue that Graziano got them at the right time.

 

"Ezz kicked his ass 3 years later and retired him."

Yeah, a 34 year old broken-down light-heavy coming off back to back big fight losses to Mills and Maxim. In a heavyweight title defense? Better than chancing a defense against, let's say, Turkey Thompson, a big and highly rated heavyweight who never got a title shot.

I think one could make a case that Charles often avoided dangerous men to make safe defenses once he won a title.