Sergey Kovalev - Fighting on the Outside

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  1. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    The rematch mostly always determines who the better fighter is.
     
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  2. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    **** man go get Hagler and Hearns to rematch now.

    See how flawed your logic is now?
     
  3. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Do you think Hagler Hearns was a close fight?
     
  4. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Dont strawman me. You wrote an incredibly flawed post and I destroyed your logic.
     
  5. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    The example you provided wasn't comparable in any way.

    Hearns was blown out by Hagler and i doubt there was any demand for a rematch , and if there was it wouldn't have been seen as evens given how one-sided it was.

    Froch Kesser I could have went either way. The better fighter mostly always overturns a disputed decision with a more dominant performance.
     
  6. Liquorice

    Liquorice Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Well if u look at some of the best LHWs of the last 25 years or so... Dariusz, Roy, Bhop, Calzaghe, Dawson, Ward, Stevenson, Tarver etc Kovalev at his best would be a handful for any of them & to redeem himself v Alvarez (who has a win over Kova) would be an epic win..
     
  7. Liquorice

    Liquorice Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Man stfu... I don't buy that theory. Benn did better against Eubank second time round.. Overall I think Eubank is a better fighter though IMO

    Kessler was over the hill by then! At there respective best Kessler was a better boxer, more fluid & better technically .. Froch just aged better.

    & its 'determines' u transparent bum box!
     
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  8. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I recall Kovalev talking about the first fight with Ward in an interview; he mentioned he thought it was ridiculous his S&C coach had him running so much and doing so much cardio before the fight. I thought it ironic as his stamina looked great for the first Ward fight. He was no longer willing to die for the sport as he stopped believing he could defeat the boxing institution. A dislike for cardio became an unwillingness to put in the work. As for alcohol, it's all hearsay. Ward seemed to get the information from JDJ, so there's plenty of reason to believe it's true.
     
  9. Sphillips

    Sphillips Active Member Full Member

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    Cleverly had a middle class upbringing?

    OP never been to South Wales then?
     
  10. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Well... I have no doubt in my mind that Kovalev won the first fight, so we'll have to agree to disagree Manfred. Although I will concede that Froch has the bigger heart, but that's also applicable to to most fighters, few match that quality in The Cobra.
     
  11. minemax

    minemax Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Kovalev said it himself in one of the youtube videos. He said something like: "I used to drink beer and even vodka sometimes." But then he immediately added "... but in those small bottles!"

    I guess it was 0.25 liters bottles or even smaller. Well, it's still unacceptable for a professional athlete, of course...
     
  12. Manfred

    Manfred Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well said.
     
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  13. slender4

    slender4 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Kessler is Ward's best win, but Froch, Abraham, and yes Kovalev give him a HOF resume.
     
  14. @Michael

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    Seeing as Froch's defense was inept at best and considering that Kovalev offensive skills are noticeably superior to his, I don't see scenery where Froch comes out on top.

    Froch has a good chin, but I don't think the quality of his chin is what some you guys are making it out to be. Andre Dirrell and Jarmain Taylor dropped him. George Grooves hurt badly almost had him ready to go. Andre Ward who by no mean's a heavy puncher I believe hurt him (Froch was able to conceal it).

    I think you're projecting a scenario were Froch is down on the cards and suddenly makes a hail Mary comeback in the later rounds as Kova seems to fade down the stretch. I don't see it that way. Any man that's easy to hit by Kovalev is getting knocked the **** out. I don't care what anyone thinks about Froch's chin (overrated), he's getting blasted the **** out with that poor defense of his by Kovalev. Just because Ward was able to sustain a comeback in their second fight, now all of a sudden everyone thinks it's doable. Froch's chin will not sustain Kovalev's early onslaught to mount a comeback down the stretch.

    I think you're neglecting that Kovalev boxed with Ward man to man, and you can make the argument that he was leading on the card when he stopped. Froch is not beating Kovalev on the card. He fought some good punchers but nothing like a guy that hits as hard as Kovalev.

    By the way, I favor Alvarez over Froch at 175.
     
  15. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 Dot, dot, dot... Full Member

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    As I say, ridiculous hyperbole...