Haymon is getting the WBC to have Wilder duck Whyte, like he did Stevenson duck Alvarez

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  1. Anne-Marie

    Anne-Marie Member banned Full Member

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    We all know Haymon is well in with the WBC (ergo most of his champions being with them)

    - Eleider Alvarez first won a final eliminator against Isaac Chilemba in 2015 to become mandatory for Adonis Stevenson
    - Then the WBC forced him into another final eliminator against Lucien Bute 2016.
    - Then he has to fight yet another final eliminator against Jean Pascal in 2017.
    - Then despite winning 2 Eliminators and 3 Final Eliminators over 4 years, the WBC ordered Alvarez to fight a final eliminator v. Gvozdyk.

    The penny seemed to finally drop for Alvarez that Haymon and Stevenson wanted NONE of him, so he sought out a world champion with a sack in Kovalev. Stevenson, for the record, still hasn't fought a mandatory since 2013. Disgraceful.

    We see the same games being played with Wilder with Whyte playing the part of Alvarez, and AJ -who Wilder is also running from- playing the part of Kovalev.

    The only mandatory Wilder has fought so far in his laughable title run is Bermane Stiverne. This called despite:
    - Stiverne already having being beaten by Wilder easily.
    - Having one fight prior squaking by a bum
    - Him not having a fight two years before the second Wilder fight
    - Him failing a VADA CBP test
    - Him falling to notify VADA of his whereabouts for a test
    - Him being in repugnant shape.

    Then along comes Dillian Whyte, paying his sanctioning fees for eliminators and beating Chisora, Helenius and Browne, gets to number 1 in the WBC then just to be told he wasn't the mandatory Dominic Brezeale was.

    This despite:
    - Breazeale fighting 1 eliminator to Whyte's 3, against an opponent who had recently been KO'd by Joshua and Wilder in Carlos Molina.
    - The fact the WBC claimed Breazeale/ Martin wasn't going to be a final eliminator at the time.

    Then WBC say Whyte would have to face Ortiz for the 2nd mandatory. Being that the they have also said the 1st mandatory won't be called until 2019, how long would the second mandatory have to wait until getting a shot- provided they didn't have a load of other hoops to jump through. Given Ortiz' age, if he won he'd likely have died of old age and Dillian will be well past his prime by the time his shot comes along.

    Unfortunately you can bet your bottom quid that Wilder won't drop this charade that he wants to fight Fury until Whyte schedules his next fight, then he'll cherry pick his latest wino at 3 weeks notice, suddenly as 2019 roles around the WBC mandatory will be called the Breazeale fight so Wilder will say he can't do the April fight v AJ, then not do it after that either when all AJ's mandatories get called

    Unfortunatley, for Whyte to get his shot, he may well have to seek out the one remaining World Champion with a pair of conkers between his legs, as Alvarez did.
     
  2. vargasfan1985

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  3. Infern0121

    Infern0121 Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    We Be Crooks are clearly on the take from Haymon, that much is obvious.

    They just need to be left in their own corner. Wilder clearly doesn't fancy it with Whyte, who is unpredictable in build ups and messy in the ring. Not saying Wilder doesn't beat him but he'd clearly rather avoid that fight.
     
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  4. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    So why isn’t Whyte a mandatory for AJ for one of his belts?

    Wilder doesn’t want to fight for Eddie Hearn unless it’s to fight AJ, and the reason why is clear.

    He agreed to fight Whyte a while back IF Eddie would put it in writing that the AJ fight would be next and Eddie’s response was “It doesn’t work that way.” Well, too bad. Whyte was offered a WBC eliminator vs. Ortiz and suddenly decided he’d rather go another route.
     
  5. Anne-Marie

    Anne-Marie Member banned Full Member

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    WBC- Wilder Bodyguard Council

    Also worth noting that VADA have not seen a penny from the fines the WBC have put on boxers who fail drug tests from the CBP shite so that just another revenue stream for the Wilder Bodyguard Council who probably only ensure opponents of Haymons big stars are stringently tested
     
  6. jaytxxl

    jaytxxl Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The WBC never said Whyte was his mandatory if they did and Whyte paid sanctioning fees like he said then he could have sued them please stop with the agendas.. The WBC ordered him to fight Ortiz to become the second Mandatory and he refused.. simple and plain he didn’t wanna fight Ortiz.. what the WBC did to Alvarez was criminal and doesn’t compare to what’s going on with the HW division.. And even that’s more on Yvon Michel who is Chickenson, Beterbiev and Alvarez’s promoter allowing the Chicken to keep avoiding Alvarez the way he have.. but now Yvon have 3 of 4 LHW champs so I guess it was a power play on his behalf
     
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  7. mstar

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    Of course they need Wilder to keep the WBC fight long as possible. That's why they always up and ass with all these mandatories that never happen. They all know the AJ fight is the cash out fight.
     
  8. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Haymon advises Alvarez too, Alvarez didn’t want the Stevenson fight, because he truely did he wouldn’t have taken any step aside money and would have sued the WBC for his title shot.

    In regards to Wilder vs Whyte, Whyte deserves his shot in my opinion already, but as Breazeale doesn’t seem too be the mandatory, he can fight Ortiz and take that mandatory position if he wins. I don’t think he should have to but if wants to solidify his spot that’s good way.
     
  9. Anne-Marie

    Anne-Marie Member banned Full Member

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    Factually incorrect from another Wilder fanboy

    Prior to the Breazeale v Molina the WBC sent out a press release confirming that was not a final eliminator, because neither of them had even fought an eliminator at that stage.

    Whyte meanwhile had already fought and defeated Chisora and Helenius in WBC sanctioned eliminators.

    Then in March Whyte beat Browne in yet another WBC sanctioned fight and Wilder beat Ortiz.

    Then the WBC rankings came out Whyte was 1, Ortiz number 2 and Breazeale number 3. Then Wilders teams grand plan showed up. They wanted none of The Body Snatcher

    So Haymon got onto the WBC who revealed that Breazeale Molina was a final eliminator (despite them being ranked 7 & 9 at the time, lower than Whyte, Browne, & Helenius) and Breazeale was not their number 1. Then they revealed their latest hoop Whyte would have to jump through in the Ortiz "second mandatory"

    So if Whyte beat Ortiz, being that the 1st mandatory isn't called until next year earliest, when exactly do you think the winner of Whyte v Ortiz would get their shot? Also note the next available contender has not yet been ordered to fight Ortiz from when Whyte took the Parker fight (which was for the WBC Silver Belt, so yet more fees from Whyte to the Wilder Bodyguard Council)

    And don't talk that wet about Whyte ducking Ortiz. If the Wilder Bodyguard Council had said Wilder had to fight the winner within 6 months Whyte would have been up there like a rat up a drain pipe.

    So if you think nothing about this smells fishy that that a Haymon fighter has only had to beat Molina-his only WBC sanctionined bout, while Whyte, who Wilder has turned down multiple multi million paydays from had paid fees v Chisora, Helenius, Browne and Parker and still no closer to getting Wilder in the ring, you are either naive or moron or a member of Wilder ducking crew
     
  10. FartWristedBum

    FartWristedBum I walk this Earth like a bum Full Member

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    The WBC and Wilders team/fans have had to construct an entirely new HW division and rankings just to avoid fighting legit fighters! It's mental really, the Wilder/WBC story is so full of holes and illogical bs it's becoming farcical.
    Sure, Hearn is to blame for Wilder not being recognised as #1 with all his protection and ''snake" behaviour....? GTFO.
    One has to stick two fingers in their ears and close their eyes to avoid seeing the WBC charade for what it is!
    Wilders reign as champ has been littered with underwhelming opposition, taken on at lengthy intervals, a stark contrast to Joshua who has been fast-tracked and already has numerous, recognised top ten HWs on his record.
    Ortiz is utterly unproven and until I see him actually beat a legit HW I fail to see how a win involving blatant cheating over him gives Wilder any leverage as a champion.
    Wilder has speculation and the 'eye test' to bolster his claim as champ, AJ has actual fact and reality backing his claim: Big difference.

    Therefore, Whyte could beat on the entire top ten for 18+ months and Wilder would still talk down to him from his ivory tower in Cuckoo land. Let Wilder sink in sea of his own bs, he should be frozen out.
     
  11. tommyg6

    tommyg6 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The WBC should be ashamed of themselves for backing such a mediocre champion.

    They resort to calling cab drivers as mandatories for Wilder, sanction title eliminations for complete bums, never enforce a mandatory, bypass deserving contenders of their title shot. Just sickening.

    Past American champs, actual boxing legends like Muhammad Ali, Larry Holmes, Mike Tyson never resorted to protection from sanctioning bodies to keep their belt. Unlike Wilder, these guys had talent and most of all, balls, to keep their belt.
     
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  12. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Lol you’re not wrong infact now he’s fought Ortiz it’s entirely plausible he does this for another four years against all whom he chooses.
     
  13. PaddyGarcia

    PaddyGarcia Trivial Annoyance Gold Medalist Full Member

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    Yup, swerved the IBF one too.

    But no one wants to fight him apparently
     
  14. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes, yes, anti-whyte conspiracy sure.

    How many WBC Silver title fights has Josh Taylor had?

    Where is Azizbek ranked despite his being a Silver champion?

    Zaur Abdullaev, ranked 19 by the WBC despite being WBC Silver champion. Is he mando? Nope he's defending his WBC Silver.

    Seems like the WBC Silver doesn't make you the WBC mando. Seems like whenever any sanctioning body does anything fans don't understand rather than learning about it youse *****, whine, and cry.

    It's not the WBC or Deontay Wilder's fault that Eddie Hearn and Dillian Whyte didn't understand what a Silver belt is and how it's never been an automatic mando.

    You *****, whine, and cry when guys get ranked through means other than fighting ranked men then when that auto rank bull**** takes a back seat to the ladder you cry some more because they guy you want to see can't manipulate the situation.

    Dude got his WBC Silver by fighting an unranked no hoper, improved it by fighting a rank 13, and just now after crying got him a half decent win from his first top ten fighter to fight for the wbc silver. If anything Dillian Whyte didn't push the issue until last month...but yeah....Dillian should be crying because Dom fought a fighter ranked so high last year it took Whyte until last month to fight anyone who out ranks him.

    To say that differently, Molina was 11, Robert was unranked, Lucas was 13, and Parker was just a ****in' month ago....yeah....his ass should be crying about how unfairly the WBC has handled his Silver title. ****in' mooks.
     
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  15. Legend X

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    Whyte should rematch Chisora and probably Parker if he wants to be regarded as a legitimate outstanding challenger.

    Whyte's credentials are way thinner than him and Hearn make out.
    He was lucky to get wins those against Chisora and Parker.
     
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