They are not proven. It's a matter of if you believe in it. Believing in it or not is proven over time. Styles matchups play a large role in it all when determining that. I think Andrade beats Saunders, I just do, so will be picking so. I either look smart or stupid, we all find out. They are proven to be quality fighters, not elite, but high quality. At Middleweight, still entirely to be determined.
I don't consider Vanes losing an accomplishment. You may think the version of Vanes that GGG fought beats Smith, but the fact is your speculating and doesn't make him greater. Accolades make athletes better. The fact is Smith was a world champ with defenses. That's even more than Lemieux has accomplished.
In fact resume is better than being a belt holder. Vanes has Charlo, Lara x 2, Andrade fights against top opposition. Wins against Smith and Nelson trump anything Smith has done.
Charlo is probably better than Lemieux now. Doesn't change what I said. Here we go with your obsession w/ GGGoons. You can't NOT talk about them in virtually every post. Get a life girl, and stop crying/obsessing/worrying about GGGgoons for once. It's a sick obsession you have.
they do cumulatively, but we are looking at him after 2 year inactivity. Vanes was a terrible defence, anyway we cut it, probably the worst in the last decade but the reason was he was late stand in so its ok.
The mere fact you have to spin your way to trying to up Liam Smith is never a surprise. Smith was a titlist, with defenses against UK domestic level Jimmy Kelly. And with Radosevic, neither have competed at the world level, nor have anything resembling a win over a ranked contender. And lets bring back what you claimed: "If 3G fought Liam Smith, Smith would be his toughest opponent to date." Remember when you said that? And you ONLY said that after canelo beat Smith. How very convenient. FACT IS: You say stupid things just to defend Canelo, or try to dog 3G. You are a dishonest POS ASSOL. Just like calling Vanes a WW. BTW, do you know WHY Lemieux didn't have a successful defense? Because he went straight to 3G after winning his belt. I suppose he couldn't milked the title, faced two non-contenders in defense (Like what Smith did), and therefore RISE IN STATURE in your eyes. You can hate Lemieux too, but he's done nothing but try to get good fights, has defeated some top 10 ranked MW's, and when he lost, kept trying at the world level. Idiots like you pick and choose who you hate like little girls watching boy bands...
Yes Lance, I cannot not talk about them in virtually every post. Whatever TF that means lol Anyway, Charlo is not probably better than Lemieux, Charlo is better than Lemieux. He is more accomplished and is clearly much more skilled in every department. When Jermall Charlo loses to a fighter like Marco Antonio Rubio or Joaquim Alcine we can make a better comparison and you may have some kind of point. What you said is that Charlo doesn't deserve to be mentioned along side David Lemieux is preposterous and ridiculous. If both fighters retired today, despite Jermall having a much shorter career than DL he would go down as the better more accomplished fighter.
No ASSOL, I never said Charlo doesn't deserve to be mentioned along David Lemieux. Is that what you took away from my post? No wonder you are a dishonest f'n moron... reading comprehension just isn't a strong point w/ you. When Jermall faces MORE top ten ranked MW's (As Lemieux at least HAS), then we'll get a more accurate assessment of his true stature at 160. Why is that so hard for you to grasp? we know why... Jermall is the new 'Lara/Andrade/Ward" for twats like you, the new boogeyman to tout. You don't care about Jermall Charlo, all you care is that he's a mandatory for a belt and that 3G hasn't faced him. That allows you to do nothing but talk ****.
I'm not spinning anything Lancey. I'm using facts, while you and the other guy are using emotion and speculation. Arguably the toughest. When Canelo fought Smith GGG's best win at that time was an opponent he dragged up 13 pounds whose best win was a very close MD win against Shawn Porter and no one eslse of note. 13 pounds Lancey, let that sink in. Funny how you're riding DL, even after he's been exposed as a one dimensional no defense having fighter. Liam Smith is more skilled than DL, I dare you to say otherwise. You're stupid Lance. I don't hate DL at all, I've been a DL fan way before you knew who he was and I still am. Just because I'm realistic about a fighters ability doesn't make equate me to hating them.. You're reaching there. I'm a fan of ANY fighter who constantly seeks to fight the best and makes fights happen.
Damn Lancey, you just pull **** out of your ass don't you? Boogey man? Boogey man for what? WTF are you talking about?? Get a grip dude. Im a fan of most fighters, and I expect all fighters to continuously seek the best possible opposition. Seems like you're the one with comprehension problems.
You're taking two sentences out of context ASSOL. With your 3rd grade reading level, not surprised you came to this conclusion. In terms of what each has done at 160, Jermall is still behind. That is what I mean be mentioned w/ the top contenders at 160. Charlo's current accomplishment was 154. And that was simply beating two old JrMW's and one up and comer in J Williams. Are you too stupid to follow? Or do you need EVERYTHING spelled out for you slowly.,