Beating Ortiz and Fury consecutively:ATG HW acheivement

Better wins than that of AJ no doubt but I wouldn't say ATG achievement.

 

**** have we really fallen that far

Beating a 40 year old guy with NO resume, followed by beating a recovering addict us ATG stuff

Oh yeah

 

I'll be honest I just don't see the hype with Ortiz. He's beaten no one of note but has been avoided like the plague, however nothing about him screams elite to me.

Not taking anything away from Wilder though it was a very exciting, very good victory.

 

"2 top hw wins"

Yeah but AJ has 5.

 

Mate ive been a boxing fan for over 20 years.

I'm not an AJ fanatic, in fact I think a PRIME fury wouldn't box his ears off and I also picked klitschko to stop him.

But you can't RATIONALLY bash Joshua's career progression and you can't RATIONALLY defend Wilder's.

Both these guys had short amateur careers, Wilder has had 5 years longer as a pro.

Joshua DOES have clearly the better resume in a short space of time. It's not that he beat Klitschko, it's that he beat Klitschko AS A NOVICE.

Wilder has been a pro for almost a decade, he's been around for a WHILE AND he just got his first good win.

You can say you think Wilder beats joshua, thats styles and it could happen.

But to go around claiming Wilder an ATG with one good win and possibly beating a Fury who we don't know if he's anywhere NEAR what he was before his 3 year cocaine binge??

Wilder has seen this Kid, who was still an amateur while Wilder was into his FIFTH YEAR as a pro, come on to the scene and surpass him in every regard.

Joshuas career has gone very, very well. Wilder's? It's ok but nothing special.

Trying to spin that any other way us just BS. Wilder has had 9 years to get some good wins, he didn't. And now the only name worth getting is Joshua.

 

Yeah, hardly the stuff a legendary career is made of. Particularly given how pathetic the rest of Wilder's "opposition" has been.

 

How many actual Heavyweight title fights has Ortiz had?

 

Well in theory yes but again if we analyse it more thoroughly..

Ortiz was 39 when defeated by Wilder and if he beats Fury well again it won't be a prime Fury given his history the last 2 years..

In saying this yes it would be as good as anything AJ has done this year but he still falls behind over all..

ATG no he needs sustained success which really only started when fighting Ortiz. 39 cans before are not that relevant tbh...

On paper Whyte currently has as good a wins as both Wilder and AJ this year so I'm not sure why u have such a bug in your bonnet about him..

 

5?

 

Povetkin, Parker, Takam, Klitschko, Whyte

 

1. He's not beaten Povetkin yet and hopefully won't.

2. Takam isn't a top 10 fighter and just got KTFO much more devastating by Chisora and Povetkin KHTFO 5 years previous.

3. Whyte wasn't top 10 when he fought AJ.

4. Wlad albeit 41yo and coming off the longest period of inactivity in his career was a very good coming of age win.

5. Parker is top 10 in a weak era.

So it's arguable to say he's only beaten 2 at the the time of fighting.

 

hang on... you just said Ortiz AND Fury.

So by your logic - discrediting Povetkin, Wilder has only fought Ortiz.