The Fear Of Ortiz Is Real

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  1. Infern0121

    Infern0121 Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    He brings 8 million which is like wilder doubling his money.

    David Haye hated Frank Warren and thought Enzo Mac was beneath him.

    He got offered good money to fight Enzo, took the money knocked him out and walked away laughing.

    Wilder not fighting whyte in order to make some "statement" is plain stupidity.

    Personally I belive there is something about whyte that he doesn't want a part of.
     
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  2. Guybino

    Guybino Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Neither does Ortiz, at least Whyte picked up a silver title, Ortiz hasn't lol! He also brings $7 million to Wilder's table.

    Chisora? really?

    Suckacock RisingErection 7 you can do better.
     
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  3. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    Ortiz was unbeaten and he was officially ducked by AJ.

    No one needs to duck Whyte who was already beaten by Chisora and almost knocked out by Parker.

    And you didn't answer the question.

    Let's try again and this time I'll go very slowly for you and color it in for because maybe it went over your tiny mongrel head the first time.

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  4. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Only terrifying thing Whyte found about Ortiz was how little he'd make fighting him. When Kubrat Pulev is the more lucrative option you know you can't draw flies to ****.

    Ortiz is no doubt a top heavy and dangerous, but so are many other top heavies but nobody is avoiding them. Difference is guys like Joshua, Whyte and even Parker are more lucrative fights than Ortiz so boxers will line up to fight them and over look Ortiz because they could fight almost anyone else and get paid more.

    Ortiz's biggest payday to date was 500K vs Wilder. Wilder took the fight because TV networks refused to air his mandatory with Stiverne and were sick of the poor level of opposition. Luckily for Wilder, Ortiz was more than happy to fight for peanuts like most Wilder opponents and was happy to sign with Haymon to secure a fight something he refused to do with Hearn to secure the Joshua fight.

    Christ even Hughie Fury who is no draw at all in the UK was a more lucrative fight for Parker when he fought him than Ortiz is now. Even Chisora right now is a more lucrative payday for Whyte than Ortiz.

    Hearn is willing to throw big money at opponents like Parker or Wilder for fights with Whyte. He did the same with Joshua to secure the Martin fight. But nobody is going to throw money to secure good fights at a near 40 year old Cuban, who doesn't speak English, is past prime and has a reputation for turning his back on promoters. Sucks for Ortiz but he wasted his prime fighting nobodies while others stepped up.
     
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  5. Guybino

    Guybino Boxing Addict Full Member

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    But he beat Chisora and had Parker on his arse.

    Prove to me that Wlad "avoided" Chsiora (delusional) and I will answer your stupid question.

    And don't lie, there's no shame in supporting gay pride bro.
     
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  6. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    8 million? :lol:

    Wilder is on course to earn over 40 million in the states against Fury

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    No one is interested in Whyte except duckroom hoes and mouthpieces such as yourself who want to see AJ protected at all costs.

    Funny how none of you want to see Wilder fight AJ because you know the moment that happens, they'd have to call the coroner to collect your boy off the canvas.
     
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  7. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    Ah you don't remember because you only started watching boxing when AJ showed up.

    I wouldn't call it a duck because that would be ******ed, similar to those saying Wilder or anyone is ducking Dillian Whyte. But he pulled out of his mandatory twice with a suspicious injury so he could sign to fight David Haye. Which is perfectly rational and reasonable.

    Yet according to your special needs logic, he should have fought Chisora instead of David Haye. This is why you're a ****ing ****** because what you and the other duckroom supporting dummies are proposing, is that a mandatory is more important than a super fight.

    Wladimir Klitschko pulls out of Chisora bout and opens way for David Haye
    • Ukrainian cites abdominal injury for withdrawing
    • Haye expected to be Wladimir's next opponent

    have no idea when or where the fight might take place," Schaefer said, "or even if it will but it is very encouraging news for David that Klitschko has shown an immediate interest in making the fight.

    "I will begin talks with David and [his trainer and manager] Adam Booth as soon as possible to see what we can work out. Obviously the two fighters will put their three combined titles on the line in what will be the biggest fight of the year."
     
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  8. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    Ok so the purse put him off from fighting Ortiz is what you're saying!

    So how much did Dillian Whyte make fighting Lewis Ian lewison?

    And what about when he jumped at the chance to fight Malcolm Tann? Must have been a huge purse he recieved right? Well show me the numbers then since you duckroom hoes love talking about other men's pockets.
     
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  9. Guybino

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    What does Haye have to do with any of this? When did I make a comment about Haye vs Wlad? Are you just making **** up yet again?
     
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  10. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    Jesus wept....
     
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  11. Brighton bomber

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    Risk vs reward, those guys provided no risk they were there to just pad his record. No denying Ortiz is a risky fight it's just he's all risk no reward. So nobody will ever call him out unless they have something to gain and nothing to lose, hence why Joyce who is struggling to find anyone to fight him is the only person who has called out Ortiz.

    Joyce needs to step up, but doesn't have the money or promotional connections to secure a good name opponent that would fight him, because just like Ortiz, Joyce is all risk, no reward. Beat him you get paid peanuts and you beat a novice, you lose to Joyce you get beaten by a novice and don't even get paid well for it. lose, lose all round.

    But Joyce fans are not making up chit, creating some BS myth that Joyce is being ducked because everyone is scared of him. Chisora himself said it quite plainly if they want Joyce/Chisora he needs to be paid and paid well. Same situation with Ortiz, if Ortiz wants to face good opponents he has to pay them well to do so and currently he is in no position to do so.

    Now that Joyce has signed with Haymon he might get better options, might even make Joyce/Ortiz that's a fight I'd watch. Dangerous fight for both and neither has better options for a good payday and a win builds both their profiles.
     
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  12. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    How on earth is it no reward when it places as him mandatory for the WBC title? That means he would have a legitimate legal right to fight Wilder. Instead he wants to jump the queue

    He didn't want Ortiz simply because he knew there is a high chance of him getting knocked out. Chisora who doesn't have the type of power Ortiz has almost knocked him out as did Parker.

    He doesn't have much of a chin in my opinion and that's why the real boxing fans have no interest in watching him sprawled across the canvas against Wilder

    You say Pulev made more sense to fight, yet he ducked him as well. You know why?

    Because he's scheduled to fight AJ anyway.

    He's an absolute joke as are the many socalled boxing fans that are overrating this slugging mess of a fighter who's a ko waiting to happen.
     
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  13. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    You're not going to get it. You're a willfully ignorant garbage poster.

    I've run out of ways of explaining it to you. I've tried writing slowly, tried coloring letters for you and presented you with articles with quotes to explain what occurred and you still refuse to address the question or understand the significance

    You're teachers at school must have been punching walls and popping pills after trying to teach you anything.
     
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  14. BCS8

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    Actually I wanted to see Wilder fight Povetkin, but there are still brown bits bobbing in the Atlantic after Wilder's precipitous retreat.
     
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  15. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    Yes Wilder made him fail three drug tests.

    Let me ask you a question and see if you can answer straight.

    When Povetkin's fight with Steverne was cancelled by the WBC because he failed a second test within 6 months, did that mean Stiverne avoided Povetkin?
     
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