The Fear Of Ortiz Is Real

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  1. BCS8

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    Povetkin actually passed the test for Wilder. It's a fact. He was more than 10 times under the allowable limit for Meldonium. Read for yourself:

    "WADA has just released guidance laws in reference to meldonium, where it “confirms” that “cases with a low concentration of meldonium are compatible with a no fault finding” with other cases handled by anti-doping agencies. In the case of Povetkin, his lone positive trace found 70 nanograms of the substance, or .07 micrograms which falls under the limit for the probationary period that has been set forth. What this means for Ryabinsky/Povetkin is that they could claim that Wilder’s team cancelled the fight without a valid reason and could sue."

    http://thechtonsports.com/povetkin-may-clear-according-wada/

    Sure, here's a question for you, as well. Why did Wilder fight known roider Ortiz who has heart problems? Could it be because he is as old as mud and on his last legs? You can answer "yes" for the correct answer.

    Here's the straight answer: that's irrelevant to Wilder fleeing Povetkin because of a test that he did not in fact "fail".
     
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  2. Guybino

    Guybino Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "Suckadick Rising-Erection 7cm" I have no idea what you are on about.

    Take Wilder's dick out of your mouth and talk some sense please.
     
  3. BCS8

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    You've annoyed him. He's gonna throw stuff around now. Imma go do some work.
     
  4. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    Wilders team didn't cancel the fight, the WBC did.

    The World Boxing Council is diligently addressing the positive test result from the [WBC's] clean boxing program for mandatory challenger Alexander Povetkin," WBC president Mauricio Sulaiman said in a statement. "Keeping the priority of safety and also the principle of justice, the WBC will continue the investigation into the case. Consequently, the event scheduled for May 21 in Moscow is hereby officially postponed. The WBC will be releasing more information in the coming days regarding the final ruling on the matter."

    Povetkin admitted that he used meldonium but said it was before it was banned. His argument was that whatever meldonium was in his system was left over from when he used it in August and September 2015, when it was still legal under WADA code.


    Are you going to tell me Wilder has the power to suspend fighters and issue fines?

    ''The sanctioning body has suspended Povetkin indefinitely from any WBC-ran fights and has fined him $250,000.''

    Facts kill beliefs every day of the week and the facts are Povetkin failed tests and was banned which prevented the fight from happening. That's nothing to do with the fighter who has trained and ready to fight. It isn't rational to blame the fighter for their opponent failing drug tests.

    Ortiz did not fail a test for steroids before the Wilder fight. He failed to disclose blood pressure medication. Big difference.

    You should be asking why AJ is fighting a three time ped cheat, after his master was telling the world he deserved a life time ban.
     
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  5. Guybino

    Guybino Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Why does Wilder refuse to face AJ for $15 million and Whyte $7 million? Why did Wilder duck Wlad? Why did Wilder run from Povetkin? Why did Wilder shout about legacy and the unimportance of money then call $15 million "crackhead" money? Why did Wilder get KTFO in the amateurs and sparring? Why has Wilder never fought in a unification? Why is Wilder only interested in fighting a recovering drug addict?

    Because he is an illiterate, toilet-mediating, chicken-legged, insecure, trash mouthed, glass hearted, racist, single brain-celled fetus with the worst boxing fan base in the history of the Yulaverse.

    Now sit down and shut up or I will send your mum home and tell her what a bad boy you have been and she will ground you after I am done with her.
     
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  6. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    Get out of this thread troll.

    You already failed to answer basic questions which proved to beyond your intellectual capacity and now you want to talk about another topic.
     
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  7. Guybino

    Guybino Boxing Addict Full Member

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    nice comeback you maggot
     
  8. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    You're the maggot who ducks answering questions. Must be why you're a big fan of AJ. He's the epitome of someone who ducks when challenged.

    You're a dishonest garbage poster who I won't bother wasting time discussing boxing in depth with, because you're simply an incapable agenda driven ho.
     
  9. Brighton bomber

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    I think Ortiz knocks him out too to be fair. As for the reward for fighting Ortiz lets be honest even if Whyte beats Ortiz and becomes mandatory the chances of Whyte getting the Wilder fight any time soon is slim. Wilder has had one mandatory defence in 3.5 years as a title holder, no guarantee being Wilder's mandatory gives him a shot in the near future. Haymon is great at delaying WBC mandatories look at how long Stevenson avoided Alvarez.

    Also as you say he's scheduled to fight AJ again, which Hearn has been trying to sell for ages now because he knows it sells well in the UK. So why would Whyte taking a low paying risky fight to get a shot at Wilder where he makes 25% as mandatory and maybe gets 1 mill if lucky or make a multi million dollar payday vs Joshua.

    Again it comes down to risk reward, get KO'ed for peanuts vs Ortiz or Wilder or make millions fighting Parker or Joshua, only an idiot would go the Ortiz, Wilder route it makes no financial sense.

    Whyte didn't take the Pulev fight for the same reasons he didn't take the Ortiz fight. Too little money and too much risk. Though I think he beats Pulev if it goes the distance he might not get the decision. Parker fight was more lucrative and at this stage of Pulev's career Parker was a more dangerous fight than a faded Pulev.

    If he's such a mess and a KO waiting to happen why does Wilder say he has to fight Ortiz first before getting a shot. Everyone likes to say Whyte is Joshua body guard but fact is Wilder has been doing the same with Whyte saying he has to go through Ortiz first. If he's such an easy fight why not take the Whyte fight and make millions? Fact is Wilder has ducked the Whyte fight more than once, been offered record paydays more than once but chose to fight Ortiz for half the money instead.

    Thing is I think Wilder knocks Whyte out but Haymon won't risk his fighter in a voluntary with a fighter not signed to him.
     
  10. Mr Icaman

    Mr Icaman 32-0 WBC Champ, Ring + Lineal HW Champ Full Member

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    Its just ball swingers trying to hype up their god Wilder saying Ortiz is some sort of force at 39 yet they reckon Wlad was washed up..

    Ortiz is old and his stamina is not top 10 level, if it was he would be the WBC champ now..

    If Povetkin gets starched he will also be washed up but not Ortiz..

    My view is Whyte has done the hard yards is ranked no 1 he should be getting the next shot.

    Wilder won't fight him because Hearn got his knickers in a knot but its a two way street and they are not getting that cash out fight for the same reason..

    Wilder Testie Tuggers will be crying about that too but good riddance it say..

    I hope my boi puts AJ to sleep just to watch Bumsquad start sweating because he knows it will be off to Russia again...
     
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  11. Sephiroth Rising 7

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    Regardless on how you feel the likelihood will be of Wilder fulfilling is mandatory, it doesn't mean Whyte shouldn't bother trying to become mandatory as that means he's done everything possible to be in position to fight for the WBC belt.

    Lets be clear, It's not wilder that has mandated that he must fight Ortiz. This has been mandated by the WBC.

    Wilder is not mandated to fight Whyte and it's not as if he's choosing to fight a lesser opponent instead. He's fighting the lineal champion which is what the world wants to see.

    Thats the difference why can not be accused of using Ortiz as a bodygaurd.

    Hearn are using Whyte or Chisora as buffers to protect AJ whilst at the same time feed off Wilder's name and give them a good pay day for a beating. They serve no purpose but to act as bodygaurds to AJ so he can delay/avoid the Wilder fight.

    Chisora is now being put forward to fight Wilder and Hearn even said himself that it would be an easy nights work for Wilder without taking into account that there is a high likelyhood of Chisora suffering serious long term brain damage which I think is a disgrace.

    Make no mistake they would put up a good fight, as they are good battlers but we all know the result and that's either one of them getting knocked out forever as Fury would say.

    So why on earth would Wilder waste time fighting no good sluggers which will do nothing for his credibility over fighting Tyson Fury which has the potential to earn him triple the amount?
     
  12. Mr Icaman

    Mr Icaman 32-0 WBC Champ, Ring + Lineal HW Champ Full Member

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    Yes Whyte's shoulder has taken a long time to heal..

    Plus its about if he has done the hard yards to earn a shot which I think he has... Whether you or I think he will win or not is irrevelant

    Otriz had his shot and blew it..
     
  13. Sephiroth Rising 7

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    If Ortiz is so old and not top 10 level, why did AJ officially duck him when he was his mandatory and beg his slave master Hearn to go through the trouble of writing to the WBA to get him removed as mandatory after they promised him a fight?

    And why doesn't Dillian just fight him? He had no trouble fightinh Ian Lewison who was old so it's not like he's got a problem fighting old men.
     
  14. Guybino

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    hahahaha it seems wilder's own hypocrisy transcends to his cult following.

    Your anti-Hearn agenda is the worst kept secret on ESB, you absolute plank.
     
  15. smiffyinoz

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    That’s actually a good summary of Wilder.
     
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