Honestly, I do not think that Prime Mike Tyson would beat Wilder, Joshua, and Fury

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  1. BoxingIQ

    BoxingIQ Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Out of all Hall of Fame fighters I think Tyson gets overrated more than any of them. Yes, when you look at Prime & Peak, Tyson was a physical specimen and great talent that could hang with the best. But one has to ask the question, who exactly did Tyson beat to be considered great? Ruddock, Bruno, and Holmes(who was way out of prime) That list doesn't scream ATG when you have fighters from the current era, like Wilder, Joshua, and Fury, who are much better than the fighters Tyson defeated. Hell, I don't even think Buster Douglas would be able to beat a fighter like Wilder who is way more physically opposing and powerful than Tyson. I don't mean to bash someone who many consider to be an ATG, but looking at his resume there is nothing that proves that he would beat fighters like Fury, Wilder, and Joshua.
     
  2. underwraps

    underwraps Active Member Full Member

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    If he connected clean he would KO all of them. Wilder and Fury are very long. Fury has skills so might cause Mike problems for a few rounds, but don't hit hard enough. Wilder pretty much the same, no real skill but does have the punch.Mike would only need to get inside and it would be good night.
    Out of the 3 i'd give AJ the best chance, but would still favour Tyson, despite the size.
     
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  3. Ukansodoff

    Ukansodoff Deontay plz stop ducking Joshua. Thank you. Full Member

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    Sounds like you are really overrating this current era of Heavyweights. Im not saying they wouldnt be competitive in the division in Tysons era but they wouldnt shine like they do now.
     
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  4. BoxingIQ

    BoxingIQ Well-Known Member Full Member

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    They would probably lose to the likes of Lewis, Holyfield, Mercer, and Bowe but they would be clear favorites over Tyson.
     
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  5. Sandman_

    Sandman_ Undisputed Full Member

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    Tyson was past prime when he fought two of the three opponents you mentioned.

    One of the fights you mentioned featured prime Tyson.

    I think that version of him goes pretty good against anyone.

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  6. BoxingIQ

    BoxingIQ Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Tyson was 23 when he fought Bruno and 25 when he fought Ruddock. He was not past his prime.
     
  7. Gil Gonzalez

    Gil Gonzalez Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Tyson’s prime was when he was with Rooney. It ended with the Spinks fight.
     
  8. Flamazide

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    Tell me how Wilder is better than those guys.
     
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    Sandman_ Undisputed Full Member

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    I was around back then & yes he was.

    He was a fighter of the 80s. His prime ended with the Spinks fight.

    He got into a street fight with Mitch Green after Spinks, broke his hand & had the longest layoff of his professional career to that point.

    When he returned against Frank Bruno, he was sloppy, got hit with a lot of punches he never would have been hit with previously & was eminently beatable from that point on.

    That he was beaten by Buster Douglas a couple of fights later bears that out.

    There's no point saying he was "prime" into the 1990s b/c he obviously wasn't.
     
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    underwraps Active Member Full Member

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    Tyson was so good at such an early age, that he seemed to reach his peak before most heavies got started.
     
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  11. testez

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    i dont see how DW or AJ could keep Tyson at bay. Fury might be able to do it.
     
  12. Okin129

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    I agree that Tyson gets overrated when people talk about him like he would batter everyone in the first round but he was still a great fighter and he could very well have beaten all of them, not as easy as the idiotic Tyson fanboys believe but he definitely could have.

    Imo he would have more problems with Wilder and Fury because Wilder is very fast for a heavyweight and Tyson Fury has very good movement, both are tall, rangy and have huge reach advantages with solid jabs.

    Joshua is not as fast and Tyson wouldn't have the same problems to get inside but Joshua also has a solid jab and he has a huge reach advantage, also he puts his punches together very well, can fight from long-range to mid-range and also has a very good inside game.

    Don't forget that Mike Tyson has never beaten a fast, skilled heavyweight with similar physical dimensions, he would look very small beside them.

    He fought Tucker who went 12 rounds with him, Lewis and McBride who both beat him when he was past prime, that being said i think Lewis would have always beaten him as well as Holyfield would have beaten him most of the time.
     
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  13. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The fighters Tyson fought in his prime were better than Fury, Joshua, and Wilder and more experienced. Fury, Joshua, and Wilder would've steered clear of a prime Tyson. Hearn didn't even want Joshua to fight Ortiz, who on his best day isn't half the fighter Tyson was in his prime.

    If Takam can get inside on Joshua a prime Tyson definitely can. Also, unlike Parker and Takam, who can't punch Tyson can. Takam was landing body punches on Joshua, but can't crack an egg shell. Tyson would go right to Joshua body and take him out.

    As much as I like Wilder Stiverne in the first fight neutralized Wilder's straight right hand and forced Wilder to rely on his jab. If Stiverne had any handspeed and mobility he would've neutralized Wilder's jab as well and most likely beat him. A prime Tyson would've took away all of Wilder's tools and knocked him out. Stiverne landed a counter right and rocked Wilder, but was too slow to get in the perfect position, which would've made it a fight ending punch. Even Tyson himself admitted in the mid 90's that his lack of reflexes and speed resulted in him missing fight ending shots that he would've landed easily in his prime.

    Fury has a nice punch selection, footspeed, and handspeed, but he has a bad habit of standing too straight up when in range and has been knocked down by much lesser fighters than Tyson for it. He would get knocked out by Tyson for making that mistake. Even Zack Page, who was old and out of shape when he fought Fury started timing and countering Fury's jab to the point that Fury's punch output went way down and he coasted the rest of the fight.


    Also, a lot of fighters have exaggerated heights today. Fury who is supposed to be 6'9" was towered over by Ronald McIntosh, who is 6'9". Even Stephen Espinoza said Fury was 6'7" and Wilder was 6'6".

    Should Wilder-Fury get signed, Showtime would handle the pay-per-view with Espinoza hoping for Nov. 17 in either Las Vegas or New York.

    "Wilder vs. Fury is a really intriguing fight both because of the styles in the ring and the personalities outside the ring," Espinoza told AP. "Deontay and Tyson are two of the most likable and most entertaining characters in boxing. But all the entertainment aside, it is a high-level heavyweight fight between two of the top guys in the division and two huge athletes at 6-foot-6 and 6-foot-7, the two tallest and biggest guys in the sport today."


    Bruno was much better than Joshua is now. He's was more experienced, had a better jab, and better power, but was still crushed by Tyson. Bruno had the same reach as Joshua, but knew how to use it better.

    Joshua isn't that much bigger than Bruno.
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    Bonecrusher Smith hit just as hard as Wilder and had stamina just as good as Wilder's , but had better balance. Also, Wilder being 6'7" is laughable. Wilder at most is 6'5", which is only an inch taller than Smith.

    Mitch Green, Carl Williams, and Tyrell Biggs were better boxers than Fury, but fought against much better competition. Fury is at most 6'6", since he was shorter than Carmelo Anthony, who is just under 6'7". Carl Williams had the same reach as Fury, but was faster and still got destroyed.
     
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  14. N17

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    Mike Tyson at his best would have put all three to sleep.

    Actually I believe the likes of Tony Tucker at his best would have beaten all three.
     
  15. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    They all get sparked out cold in savage HL reel fashion

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