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And Joshua learnt after that fight that in order to do 12, he needed to drop weight and reduce his punch output.


I just see Fury as the only opponent Wilder has faced who will not tire from his own work after 6 rounds onwards.....
Ortiz gassed himself out and wasn't too far away from the distance.

 

You’re right he was getting hit by a guy with no pop on his punches,seriously if folk can’t see that Wilder wouldn’t of finished him in just a few rounds last night then I’m not sure what to say.

 

I was always under the impression that the guy to beat Wilder would be one who could knock him out when he over reaches and sticks his chin right there to be hit,can’t believe a huge guy like Fury can’t KO anyone anymore or has he got too complacent since his win over Wlad.
Guess what I’m saying is I don’t see the point in trying to beat Wilder on points as his record of late KOs is freaky

 

I don't see Buster Douglas in there.

 

What? You're reaching with the made up sentence "Given that he's paralyzed, he boxed very well."

What I meant was given he had a 2 year layoff, almost all of his natural ability is back. He worked well from the outside, his footspeed was very good and his gas tank was still world class. All of which he will need to upset Wilder.

I don't watch fights looking for the worst in fighters to fit an agenda. I watch them to see how stylistically they match up with the prospective opponent. From what Fury displayed, he still has the tools to beat Wilder.

Tyson has been tagged before from smaller fighters. When he takes the fight to smaller fighters, he leaves his chin exposed on the inside. Not so different from Joshua. Both of them have weaknesses against shorter fighters. Just look at the success that Cunningham had. This doesn't have much in the way of bearing on fight when looking at Wilder, as he relies on leverage in his punching. His brute power is from the leverage he gets on his shots from range. Much, much different than working on the inside.

Fury saw no threat in the shots that Pianeta was landing, so he came forward, worked inside and got to the body. He could have simply potshotted from the outside to an easy decision. That is just one of the reasons why I saw the fight as a glorified sparring session. Tyson used it to get rounds in and get back up to speed.

And what happens when he is confronted by adversity? When he fights Fury, he will be the lighter man. The man who has to find Fury. The man who has to move, the man who has to cut off the ring.

He's not fighting someone who just stands in front and is there to be hit. If you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you...

No it's not. How many fights has Wilder been in and lost the majority of the rounds leading up to a stoppage.
Only to find the scoring was in his favour? This will be no different on fight night, so Fury will have to ensure he wins the rounds convincingly, as Wilder will have the advantage when it comes to the cards.

I'm not opposed to any of those outcomes... although the UD is more likely to be a SD (as above).

 

I think this would be one of the silliest fights in the universe to bet on. Overall Fury was pretty impressive for a big guy and showed the skills we expected for the most part, but he was getting hit by Pianeta - not for lack of trying to avoid being hit. That is pretty bad, no matter how you are going to look at it. Fury was fighting pretty negative, not taking big risks and not trying to put him away and was being hit by someone WAY out of the top 100.

I am not the biggest of Wilder's fans, and I am very aware this wasn't the best Fury... but he has no more fights between now and facing a guy who he could be cleaning up on the score cards and actually have hurt that could at any moment drop him like a sack of spuds and the likelihood of that is high. Wilder isn't going to do a Klitschko and drop output when he struggles to find openings for fear of being countered and losing points - there is going to be a point where Wilder is going to go Wilder and something is very likely to land at some point.

If Fury can weather storms and control the ring then I can see a pretty convincing points win, but I feel like it's more than 50% likely that at some point in that fight Wilder is going to connect and he's not going to sit and wait to see if that was enough to win the fight.

The combination of styles mean ANYTHING could happen imho, they could fight 3 times and it'd be like throwing a coin. I am keen to see what eventuates though

 

It's all well and good focusing on Fury's positives, the point is he was fighting an absolute dog**** fighter who was inches shorter and who can't punch, and he still didn't look that great.

I actually don't think Deontay is going to knock out Fury although I think at some point that blistering speed and power is going to connect and after recovering Tyson will run like the wind and lose on points.

Deontay is 100% fast twitch athlete, he's easily as strong as Fury and is not going to be pushed around.

 

Im not a fan of Fury as a fighter but i have come to respect the guy recently. I will say this i heard he looked terrible and that hes a shell of his former self and early today i watched the fight. What i saw was a guy who skill wise is clearly superior to DW right now. Quick hands and light on his feet which is impressive for a guy his size and height. Im glad you brought it up because he looked to me like a guy who was clearly looking to get rounds in and he looked pretty good.
I realized something after the fight. I went back and watched some of his old fights and realized several things. 1. hes never been a big puncher. If people were expecting exciting knockouts in his return they must of never watched him before. 2. Outside of Wlad and Chisora Fury has fought nothing but line cooks and cab drivers lol! Some of which he looked spectacular against and had some brutal kos against. This led me to #3. Fury is more myth than fact. Guys saying he looked terrible in his first two fights remember him being far better than he actually ever was.
The guy is simply not as good as his fans are hyping him. Hes just a massive guy who has some good technical skill and is gifted with hand and foot speed. Im afraid this is not going to be enough to over come DW who is not a downside of his career Wlad who was never an attacking, bombs away fighter. Wilder is going to connect and when he does its all over for Fury. Its not going to be because hes not the same fighter he was its going to be because DW is just a better and more explosive HW. Itd be the same result if they fought 3 years ago. The Fury era is coming to an end when these guys get in the ring. I like his personality and the lead up to the fight should be fun but this in fact is a bad match up for Fury not the other way around.

 

You're just repeating the exact same thing. My point is that it's nonsense to qualify his performance with "given he has a 2 year layoff" because that's not going to just go away within the couple months before the Wilder fight.

Oh I remember you now. We've argued before. You have no grasp of the English language. It's a waste of time trying to discuss anything with you because you can't understand what I'm saying.

No, Cunningham had one success. He got one punch through.

Go watch the Hammer fight. Fury doesn't get hit.

Yeah. That must be it.

Fury was both 1. Just doing sparring practice. 2. Fighting in a style completely inappropriate for his next big fight with Wilder.

Why the hell would he want to practice a style completely inappropriate for his next big fight?

 

'Why the hell would he want to practice a style completely inappropriate for his next big fight?'

Because he's fighting a complete different style of fighter?

Fury boxes to his opponents level.....That's his strength.

 

And that assumption is based on...?

Did you not notice the night and day difference in performance from the crap that he displayed against Seferi?
That was only months ago, and the return to form was huge.

First, I would almost guarantee I can go back through my post history and prove that incorrect.
I can understand exactly what you are saying, I just don't understand how you can draw to the conclusions you are voicing. But, each to their own. That's exactly what a forum is for?

I'm well aware of Fury's defensive ability. Did you not see the change in Fury's body language half way through the Pianeta fight? He knew exactly what he was doing.

That sentence alone proves you want to do one thing, argue.

Ah, to answer the question. How exactly would he replicate fighting a taller fighter, with huge power...against a smaller fighter, with little power? Seriously?

 

I'm sure Fury will take great heart from a fighter like Ortiz going 10......

Given Fury is bigger, rangier, better movement, better jab and harder to hit.


I'm not convinced by the 'You need power to keep Wilder off you' argument.

The same Wlad that didn't land on Fury because he was apparently 'Gunshy', was willing to trade with Joshua, a far more powerful puncher.



To beat Wilder you neutralise the right hand.

Fury has already shown he knows how to do that.

 

Yeah. You're right. Wow.

How could he possibly prepare for a 6'7" fighter with a 6'5" fighter? That's truly night and day.

How could he still try to avoid getting hit against a guy with little power? That's truly an impossible task.

 

Lol! Come on man! Have a little faith. It should be fun while it lasts.

 

This 'Gunshy' stuff that people use to try and explain why Wlad didn't throw, completely ignores the fact that he was willing to trade with Joshua in his next fight!

If you're 'unwilling' to trade with Fury.....You're not willing to trade with Joshua.


Anyway, it could be an interesting fight if Fury is on his game.

Fury/Joshua/Wilder....You'd argue Fury/Wilder are the most limited of the three, given that I can't see Fury KO'ing the other two, or Wilder winning either by UD.

Fury - The best boxer
Wilder - The most one punch power
Joshua - More power than Fury/Better boxer than Wilder.


Hopefully we see the three fight each other.

It's possible all could end up with 1 win and 1 loss.