Rocky Marciano's so called punching power

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  1. Seamus

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    Did he actually break LaStarda's (sic) arm? Or did he merely break some blood vessels, what we laymen call a bruise.

    According to next day reports it was two teeth attached to bridgework, which usually means two compromised teeth supporting the bridgework

    I would love to see the medical substantiation for this claim.

    The above is but a case study of the Marcianista tendency toward embellishment. Study and learn.
     
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  2. mcvey

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    He chipped a bone in Lastarza's arm he didn't break his arm.Lastarza was fighting Cockell 6 months later! He broke Layne's bridgework and knocked out 2 teeth which were attached to it.
    Since Marciano had no upper front teeth and wore a bridge something else you didnt know! It could just as easily have happened to him.
    I was watching Marciano's fights on Super 8mm 50 years ago and I've several books on him and have talked to Cockell about him.
    Now either produce verified sources to back up your claims, [you won't] or have the balls to say I was mistaken and exaggerated. You don't know WTF you are talking about.
     
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  3. mcvey

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    Nope Walcott said Marciano hit him harder than Louis did. You just keep repeating these tales.

    Tiger Ted Lowry fought Marciano twice, he stated the hardest puncher he fought was Archie Moore!
    As you know so little actual facts ,I wouldn't use the word ignorant if I were you!
     
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    WRONG!
     
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    WRONG!

    "Archie Moore, the former light heavyweight champion, was talking about heavy punchers recently. Moore, who fought 215 bouts in a career dating from 1936 to 1965, rated the hardest hitters he faced: Curtis (Hatchet Man) Sheppard; Lloyd Marshall; Yvon Durelle, and Rocky Marciano. In that order.
    ''Sheppard's was the best single punch I ever got hit with,'' Moore said. ''A right to the jaw. I fell on my face and just did beat the count. I don't know why, but the front of my thighs hurt for a week after that bout. Felt like I got hit with a baseball bat.'' Moore won both his bouts with Sheppard, in 1946 and 1947, by decision.
    Moore called Marciano ''a very well-conditioned athlete.''
    ''His punches wore you down,'' said the former champion."
     
  6. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    @26:59 Walcott said Marciano hit harder than Louis punch for punch but he qualified it as Louis putting them together better. Happy to help. Trust but verify.
     
  7. janitor

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    My understanding is that he chipped the bone and caused hairline fractures.
    Protected by a gum shield.
    I am sure that you would love some excuse to dismiss it!
    These stories become established and embellished because there is an underlying truth behind them.
     
  8. mcvey

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    I know he said it on the," The Way It Was" program when he and Louis watched their two fights.with Don Dunphy.
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    At no time did he say Marciano was the hardest puncher he faced, but the Rockista fan club don't want to hear that!
     
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    Walcott was not the only common opponent/sparring partner who said that Marciano hit harder.

    I think that Beshore said it as well, and possibly others.
     
  10. ETM

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    Ok.

    Walcott also blamed the ref for losing to Louis just the minute before that. LOL so might take him with a grain of salt anyway.
     
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    I think that Walcott named Tommy Gomez as the hardest puncher that he ever faced.

    Given the number of murderous punchers that Walcott met, I think that almost anybody would struggle to top the list!
     
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    Louis drove Braddock's teeth through his mouthpiece into his lips.He left Uzcudun's gold teeth strewn on the canvas. Both verified facts.Care to name the fighters whose arms developed tumours from Rocky's punches? Or are you content to be one of the embellishers?lol
     
  13. mcvey

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    I believe he did but I haven't a primary source here so I didn't use it.

    "Joe Louis had said in 1944 that the hardest single punch that he had ever absorbed,
    was a right hand
    that landed on his chin from Al Delaney (aka Alex Borchuk)
    the punch nearly cracked his jaw and had broken a molar,causing Louis excruitiating pain.
    Joe Louis admitted in his 1977 autobiography that no one knew how close he came to losing that fight."
     
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  14. SuzieQ49

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    As a Marciano expert and unbiased fan, take this for whatever its worth but Charlie Goldman verified this himself. Discusses it in Marciano's book.

    In my opinion Marciano hit harder pre 1954 than 1954-1955. Reason: He changed up his style after 1953 to become "A better boxer", one who maximized his volume output enabling him to win more rounds. In essence, he stopped loading up on the one shot and shortened up his punches so he could throw more of them while sacrificing some power.

    Film backs this up. Watch Marciano vs layne and see how many times he winded up his big roundhouse Suzy Q Right hand. Then watch Charles I and Moore and see how many more short punches marciano threw with less of putting his body into them.

    Which version of Marciano was better? You decide for yourself. But the 51-52 Marciano on film fought more like a wild slugger, and the 54-55 Marciano fought more like a methodical swarmer
     
  15. janitor

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    I agree with this assessment.

    I think that the later version of Marciano was better, certainly for the kind of opponents that he was fighting.

    He became much better at nullifying cuties.

    Now if he had fought somebody like Valdez, then it might have been better to bring the old version to the party!
     
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