Joe Joyce vs Dillian Whyte - Who would win ?

I agree, it's a good fight. But then what would matchroom or dillian whyte want for the next fight? Who's likely? Dillian has made it clear he aint going back down to journey men he wants to still mix with somewhat quality contenders in current ranks.

He needs another tune up before potential April title shot...

 

Well if you think my statement is a bit of a reach, who do you put forward today that is more durable than Parker in the current top 20?

 

Yeah but as Whyte supporter, you made a good case for Whyte v Joyce, he would learn some valuable stuff in prepping for AJ with the reach/physical attributes side of things. I always back Dillian in any fight, so I defo give him a chance in that fight.

Decisions, Decisions!

 

Povetkin (considering his size), Chisora, maybe Wilder (showed real durability against Ortiz but that's just one showing), AJ MAYBE though I still have huge reservations about him working for a full 12 (though Parker doesn't exactly go for broke).

Then you have the guys who may prove to be like Joyce or Hrgovic

 

Ok but on the training camp circuit, it's known that AJ has been dropped a few times and got dropped By Klitchko, rocked by Whyte

Chisora was TKOd by Haye a blown up cruiser

Wilder has got a chin I'll concede BUT he's been rocked a few times and was very rocked against Ortiz but stayed standing.

And Povetkin has been dropped many times.

Parker ain't ever been dropped till Whyte, which was an amazing shot, and he got up. You don't find any stories about Parker having been dropped, not even with the arguments back and forth on AJ suspect chin.

 

Yeah it's true Chisora has got a seriously granite chin.... like damn.

BUT because he got TKO'd I edged parker past him considering Whyte landed perfectly.

 

Sparring doesn't mean anything here. Got rocked by Whyte (not dropped interestingly...) recovered and won the fight. Got dropped by Wlad - a devastating puncher - survived, won the fight. Both examples of excellent durability imo.

Despite his little success at the weight, Haye can punch. Chisora has shown excellent durability elsewhere, even 'winning' a brawl with Whyte...without getting knocked down.

Povetkin was dropped by Wlad who had a huge size advantage and as stated is a huge hitter. But Povetkin survived the full 12 whilst actually trying to attack instead of backfoot fighting like Parker does. He took a count against Price too (who has more 1 show power than anyone Parker has fought), then proceeded to stop him. Plus, like you said "If you're hit flush by someone over 200 pounds it's going to put you down"

There is plenty of portfolio for those guys to claim at least roughly even standing with Parker for durability. Durability is more than just chin - it's being able to suck it up and take your licks when it's put on you. And to be clear one last time, I'm not saying Parker isn't durable - he clearly is. But to say he's the most durable is very tenuous.

 

Yeah but parker already attested he didn't see that punch coming from Whyte, before he knew what happen he was on the canvas. And any serious guy over 200 pounds is gonna knock a guy out if he lands clean, so in both cases Haye and Whyte landed but one opponent got up.

Whyte barely landed clean shots against Chisora because Chisora ring IQ had him ducking and weaving enough to nullify the power, but take a look at the 12th round in Whyte v Chisora Whyte counters with a perfect 3 punch combo that landed perfectly on Chisoras chin, and Chisora was stunned.

 

Ok I think you are slightly confused here, in sparring punching a person in the face counts as a punch to the face, and if that person goes down to the canvas it means that person got knocked down and clocked.

Whether it is in sparring or a real fight does not change the laws of physics.

Sparring doesn't matter in the context of winning/competition, because its PRACTISE.

Again you are confused here with the words Durability and Perseverance. You are confusing a physical attribute with a mental one.

On our analysis of chin durability "getting rocked" definitely counts a grading profile, just like getting knocked down, and getting TKO'd and getting KO'd... notice they all have different weighting and priorities on our little scale? Yes boxing judges also take note of this interesting fact.

So by that logic you rate Whyte's power? So then Parker taking the cleanest shot from a primed Whyte and getting up is a great feat no?? Seeing as Whyte never landed cleanly as that on Chisora, there is no comparison.

But again, that is not durability, that is perseverance ... one is a physical attribute the other is a mental one, we are not discussing Perseverance as that can be very subjective. You never know what a fighter is feeling in each fight,

I don't think you have made a strong argument in stating anyone else as more durable than Parker considering they have all been down multiple times with the exception of Wilder, BUT Parker was never out of it the way Wilder was from a physical observation. The same observation ringside doctors notice and the judges.

 

Dude, seriously? Obviously you still get hit in sparring. But you're at different levels of fitness in camp and trying different things. That's why when all these sparring stories come out, they're usually ignored by anyone not trying to push an agenda across.

I don't think I am confused at all. Perseverance is a part of heart and without heart that physical durability doesn't hold out for as long as it can. Weak mind, weak body.

Whyte's an alright puncher. Not huge. But decent enough. Yes it was good that Parker managed to get up and last it out. Perhaps if he fought less on the backfoot he'd have gone down again, who knows. Whyte landed plenty on Chisora and couldn't put a dent in him.

I actually think my arguments are pretty solid. I don't see that you've disproved anything I said at all. Parker fights less offensively that most which has to be taken into consideration when discussing one's durability (I don't see that you have though). Parker also hasn't fought punchers as big (in terms of 1 shot) as the other dudes I've mentioned. Whyte can hit a bit, he got floored and fought defensively anyway (which was the right tactic). He fought the same way against AJ. It's not like he's a HW Provodnikov soaking up everything coming his way

 

No worries man, we can agree to disagree, I've followed many combat sports and I know this kiwi/samoan guys can take a shot... just look at mark hunt lol. Must have a lot of brain fluid.

Interesting point on the:

"I don't think I am confused at all. Perseverance is a part of heart and without heart that physical durability doesn't hold out for as long as it can. Weak mind, weak body. "

I can respect that, I guess my argument was the fact that they went down in the first place.. and that's how durability is measured... the point at which you break... no the point at which you repair yourself.