Is Tyson fury actually that good or did he just catch klitschko at the right time?

A mixture of both. Fury's talent is real and I think he has the potential to be a long time champion if he can get his mind together, but at the same time Wlad hadn't looked good for several years. The last time Wlad looked prime was in the Haye fight and he started looking shot in the Povetkin fight. Fury did what he was supposed to.

 

He beat 40yo shot Wlad in ugly, boring fight .He did land a few slaps ,but mostly stayed out of range and made faces , that’s all. Fury is not something special. Wilder will KO him.

 

Fury has what it takes to beat WK at any point in time. In Klitschko's prime he wasn't an aggressive fighter. If anything he was less inclined to clinch back then. Against Fury, WK's best assets of height, reach and clinchitis is neutralized.

 

What sets fury apart is his legs, Wlad couldn't get set as Fury's movement is difficult to time. Also Wlad has never been one to throw caution to the wind.

In answer to your question, Wlad, due to his safety first approach will always have problems with Fury regardless of age, as he has difficulty punching on the move. I don't think age had much to do with it.

I do however think Fury is a special fighter, VS wilder he will set the pace and have Wilder hitting air with a few exiting Wilder rallies/windmills. He made a fresher Chisora look like an amateur.

 

A mixture. There are people who say he beat Klitschko because of his masterful performance and there are other people who say he was just the slightly better fighter in one of the worst heavyweight title bouts in history with awful performances from both fighters, the truth is somewhere in the middle.

 

Both...

 

I think that's well and easy to say now.

But it's not really a fair assessment to say its what he was supposed to do. He had no right to go there and beat Wlad. In fact him and his team were the only people who even believed there was a chance.

 

Not many gave him a chance but when he pulled it off Wlad is suddenly shot etc etc. Some people will just never give credit when it’s due.

Joshua had a tough fight with Wlad because he just isn’t as good a boxer as Fury it’s as simple as that.

Fury is admittedly not exactly professional and doesn’t look aesthetically good but he’s just a better boxer than Wlad also.

 

Pure serendipity, like Cotto catching Martinez with a bum knee. Klitschko was just terrible that night. It had nothing to do with Fury who's always been an overhyped clumsy **** talking bum.

 

I don’t think we actually know how good (or lucky) Fury is yet. Is the real Tyson Fury the guy who lost his first fight with McDermott (regardless of getting the decision) and who had to get off the floor to beat Cunningham and Pajkic? Or is he the guy who bowled confidently into Germany and did enough to end the Klitschko decade of dominance as he said he would?

I think Klitschko’s safety first, hesitant nature cost him massively. That combined with an understandable diminishing hunger, personal problems and underestimating Fury all went against him. Even then, Fury still only landed an average of 12 punches per round. The ill fated rematch would have told us so much more....

 

I think Fury is the real deal but he is also very flawed. If he ends up getting beat it may just as much be down to the fact that he has never really been in shape as it would his opponent. Like imagine if fury got to 8-10% body fat. Not carrying a tyre around his waist what kind of boxer he could be. He could swap some of that dead weight for a bit more muscle and be lighter on his feet and faster still. If Fury beats Wilder whilst physically still not looking like a professional athlete it really does say something about the skills he does have in the art of boxing.

 

Fury is a bad matchup for Wlad at any point due to his cautionary fighting style.. If Wlad felt his opponent was a threat to defeat he would take the Jab and clinch approach throughout the whole fight.. That was easy against shorter guys whom he had a significant physical advantage over (Povetkin, Haye, and Ibragimov) Against Fury he didn’t have those physical advantages to go along with Fury having good footwork.. He was in an uncomfortable position and Fury was happy to just potshot through 12 rds without taking chances

 

He's both. Fury's a mercurial guy. Several people, myself included, saw the raw potential in the run up to the Wlad fight and picked him to pull the upset, but he's someone who's just as likely to throw it all away with a stupid performance against a mediocre foe.

One thing he certainly wasn't is lucky. Wlad lost because Fury totally inhabited his soul and took away all his weapons. That people still don't grasp that is a bit sad really.

True. I don't rule out the possibility that Wlad could have done much better in the rematch, but he'd need to throw caution to the wind and fight in a totally atypical manner. At that age I doubt that would have been truly feasible.

 

Just ask yourself how many times has Fury looked really impressive?

His a good boxer no doubt about that but one win over Klitchko isn't enough to be called elite.

If he would of fought the rematch it would of told us a lot more.