Golovkin is in incredible shape 3 weeks out

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  1. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 Dot, dot, dot... Full Member

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    Pure conjecture. I deal in facts. GGG has not one single black mark against his name re: PEDs. Canelo has been busted. Facts, not conjecture....
     
  2. 305th

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    Are you for real? 35 isn't an old man, particularly if you've been an athlete for 3/4 of your life......I was going to type a longer riposte but you're clearly either a troll or have an IQ in the double-digits.
     
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  3. shadow111

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    Oh you deal in facts, that's good to hear. So all that we've been hearing about how Canelo isn't looking as big in training as he did in the first fight, all that Incredible Hulk talk, all that's just conjecture too right.

    So then you'd agree that you can't tell if someone did PEDs based on their physique, even if it's a dramatic transformation over a short period of time at the advanced age of 36 like supposedly GGG has gone through?
     
  4. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    you must have forgot how many GGG fans said how diminished GGG is, that even if Canelo won, it would only be because GGG has declined so much. Well surely a sudden transformation into incredible shape 3 weeks out of the rematch would seem to disprove that.
     
  5. DoubleJab666

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    Facts. not conjecture...
     
  6. 305th

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    I don't buy into GGG diminishing, at least not to the degree made out. He's just facing a higher level of opposition. Hopkins was dismantling guys 15 years younger than him at 40.

    If Canelo wins (aside from dodgy cards) then I will be more than happy to give him all the props he deserves. Both have had a year to prepare and they and their trainers had a blueprint from last time.

    Tbh this time around I don't actually care who wins although I prefer Golovkin as a fighter to watch purely for the entertainment factor.
     
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  7. Mendoza

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    What type of mental shape are the judges in?

    Good to hear.

    Once you hit 35 years old or so, your muscle begins to slowly decline, and more work is required to stay in excellent shape.
     
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  8. 305th

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    You are referring to composition and injury recovery as opposed to plain old "muscle". More discipline is required with diet and lifestyle but you don't lose any strength. Speed may diminish slightly however.
     
  9. shadow111

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    While we're on this theme, your claim that Canelo was busted would indicate a good amount of conjecture on your part. For someone to be "busted", they would need to be trying to get away with something. You don't get busted by not intentionally doing something that you know you shouldn't be doing.

    The fact is that what Canelo got "busted" for is a substance that is known to exist in meat throughout Mexico. Factual studies have been done that have tested meat throughout Mexico and a sizable percentage of the meat tested positive for clenbuterol. Here's another fact : testing positive for only trace amounts are consistent with accidental meat contamination which is a well known problem in Mexico.

    So what we have is a situation where there is incomplete information as far as whether or not Canelo was busted or whether he ingested clenbuterol accidentally through meat contamination.

    So since you claim to deal in facts, what gives here? Why do you abandon your principles when it comes to believing that Canelo was busted when the far more likely scenario is that he wasn't busted at all and simply ate a piece of contaminated meat?
     
  10. Mendoza

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    The older you are, that harder it is to build and maintain fitness and the slower you recover. That was what I was trying to say. There's a reason the bottom drops out on most athletes in the mid 30's. Yes--better diet is required when you are older.

    GGG could have finally bought into the truth, and made some adjustments on his work our frequency and diet, but he'll won't be as fast as he was 5 years ago. That's okay for him because he's a technical power hitter.

    [url]https://btwb.blog/2015/02/04/how-does-age-affect-improvement-in-crossfit/[/url]
     
  11. shadow111

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    And with that said, if GGG is in fact in "incredible shape", if he is in fact in way better shape than he was this time last year, is that inherently suspicious of PED use?

    Is it more or less suspicious for a 36 year old to have a dramatic transformation of physique than for a 26/27 year old to have?
     
  12. DoubleJab666

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    He had PEDs in his system, trying to ascertain why is conjecture. Failed tests are assessed using strict liability, ie: a matter of fact. Facts, not conjecture....
     
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  13. Lazar

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    The only thing you can take to the bank is that Canelo tested positive for PEDs. :thumbsup:
     
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  14. shadow111

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    Saying somebody "got busted" when you don't know that they were cheating is conjecture. You have to be doing something wrong to be busted. Eating contaminated meat in a country known to have a contaminated meat problem is not doing something wrong.

    Here's an example to better illustrate : if you apply for a job and get drug tested, and you test positive for opioids as a result of eating a poppy seed bagel the morning of the test, would you consider that "getting busted"?
     
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  15. DoubleJab666

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    Do you understand strict liability? Go google.....

    #FactsNotConjecture