Rocky Marciano's so called punching power

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Shawn Kemp, Jun 27, 2013.


  1. Combatesdeboxeo_

    Combatesdeboxeo_ Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Yes it is marciano overall
     
  2. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I don't want to engage with you, its pointless.
     
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  3. janitor

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    You have a distressing tendency to second guess the rankings retrospectively, and ask the champions of the era to do the same.

    A champion's duty is to meet the most highly ranked challengers, not the men who look like they might be the best, but don't have the ranking to back it up.

    Some men build their ranking by taking comparatively safe fights, for slow gains in ranking, and others take more dangerous fights for more rapid gains in ranking.

    Either is an entirely legitimate strategy.

    All this is besides the point however.

    Marciano had defended against his #1 challenger four consecutive times when he fought Cockell, which is very rare in the history of boxing.

    In this scenario I would not have booked any criticism of him, if he had decided to take a stay busy fight against #9 rated Charley Norkus.
     
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  4. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Same with Earl Walls.
     
  5. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    More BS!


    Earl Walls also known to some as "The Windsor Walloper" was a smooth, intelligent boxer with a terrific punch in either hand. He made a name for himself with a 90-second knockout of top contender Rex Layne. In 1954 and 1955 there was talk of a match with Rocky Marciano for the world championship but Marciano's promoter was uninterested. Walls was the Canadian Heavyweight Champion when he retired to become a successful real estate agent in the late 1950s boom. Walls passed away while playing poker at a charity Casino in Toronto, December 13, 1996.

    • [The Deseret News] Sept 21, 1953 - A Las Vegas boxing syndicate headed by Herman Prujan offered Marciano $250,000 to meet Earl Walls in January of the next year.
    • Walls retirement Nov 2, 1955 cancelled his scheduled bout in London, England with South Afrikan giant Ewart Potgietter later that month.
     
  6. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Joe Choysnki over Jack Johnson would be a close answer. Now that I have your attention can you reply to the Hank vs. top 10 thread? I have only asked four times, and you said you'd get to it.

    Some help to find the thread:

    https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/gennady-golovkin-vs-tiger.613034/page-10#post-19361167
     
  7. choklab

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    Yes, and you know what happened next? Earl was decked for two slow nine counts (in his home town) on his way to losing to feather fisted lightheavyweight child abuser Tommy Harrison. It was the last win of Harrison’s career. Tommy was already coming off crushing defeats to guys Roland Lastarza beat.

    By the time Walls regrouped from this career disaster Earl then lost to an eight fight novice who wasn’t good enough to win another fight ever again! This blew any chance of a Marciano title shot.
     
  8. choklab

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    Never in a million years would Walls likely stop Cokkell.

    Earl always lost to guys Cokkell beat. He really was only a local attraction in Canada.

    The Rex Layne fights were either flukes or something fishy. Without them Earls career is clearly second rate.
     
  9. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So by your logic someone can go 10-40 but has 10kos so he has a 100 pct KO rate...ok. Talk about ridiculous. Also who said Rocky didn’t have those faults? Or that he was unbeatable? Only fools like yourself who are so blinded by hate see what you want to see. And his defense really wasn’t as bad as advertised he rarely was hit with a combo and was great at slipping countering jabs. The other stuff was true.
     
  10. SuzieQ49

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    Never in a million years? Cokkell got knocked out by feather fisted Jimmy Slade and knocked out by tomato can Aaron Wilson with 1 punch.

    Walls has the height reach and punching power to take cockell out early. After all, Rex Layne was much better than don cockell

    “Flukes or fishy”

    Burden of proof is on you to prove that
     
  11. choklab

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    Not when he was a contender for the world heavyweight title he didn’t. And this is the crucial factor you won’t consider. A challenger for the title is usually easier to sell if he isn’t losing fights whilst he’s in line for a title fight.

    pity the height and reach and punching power was not relevant in any of the fights Walls managed to blow at key points during Marcianos reign. It took him two attempts to beat Tommy Harrison and the 8 fight blimp. Neither guy ever won again. Earl Walls was decked and defeated by men Cokkell and Lastarza recently Beat. He didn’t have much a chin.

    the wins that Walls scored over Layne were the only things Walls ever did. One of them was a come from behind win too where Walls appeared bullied out of the fight.

    Even if we credit Walls with great wins in his hometown over Layne Nobody can say this was typical of his capabilities otherwise he never would have lost all the fights that he did. And that is a pity for him because I imagine Walls ticks a lot of boxes for modern fans who would like to believe that tall muscular men were always the answer.
     
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  12. Glass City Cobra

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    Do u REALLY wanna go there? Mr jersey joe walcott had even more losses and a not so great ko% and he beat the crap out of rocky.
     
  13. catchwtboxing

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    He did? Was there a third fight I didn't hear about?
     
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  14. Gazelle Punch

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    ...r we really comparing Valdes to Jersey Joe now smh. The lengths some people will go. Instead of pointlessly arguing I’ll just agree. Rocky was a coward and was scared of that ATG Valdes. ROCkys trex arms wouldn’t have been able to reach the 6”3 giant weighing a whooping 215. He never faced a killer with a 50 pct KO record before. No way his little white ass could compete. Happy now.
     
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  15. Glass City Cobra

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    I would call getting droppped and then losing nearly every round and being outboxed and marked up "getting the crap beat out" you before pulling off a comeback.

    Wouldnt you say lyle beat the crap out of foreman before foreman came back to win?
     
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