Rocky Marciano's so called punching power

"B level"? i personally dont have a problem with that label. Im just saying if valdez isnt a big puncher based on his ko % then neither is walcott.

 

Yeah but he didn't have one punch ko power, fought nothing but old guys, ducked Valdes, should have ko'd Kockell with the first punch he threw, was lucky to KO Walcott the first time and the second fight was stopped too soon, the fight with the split nose should have been stopped for a TKO loss, had short arms (shortest in HW history), etc etc. The guy was lucky to ever win a fight.

 

The fight was always competitive.

 

Valdes obviously wasn't a B level fighter.

 

You can't disagree on a fact. Marciano won the fight by devastating knockout. Period.

 

You forgot Earl Walls lost to Harrison first whilst Walls was rated and Harrison wasn’t. Harrison was no puncher but Walls took two long counts in that first fight, which he lost. It was the last fight Harrison ever won. Tommy has already lost to all and sundry. Harrison lost to bobo Olson and Charles, took a beating. Harrison lost to Bucceroni who was decked 5 times losing to Lastarza. Rollie also beat Rocky Jones, another guy Harrison lost to. Harrison was knocked out by both middleweight Harry crane and Abel Fernandez. Harrison lost the HW rating he got from beating Walls, but since Tommy lost the rematch and never won a fight again what does that show you? It shows you the Rex Layne fights were the only thing Earl Walls ever did. Slade even beat Walls first time around too and by the time Walls Beat Slade back Slade had practically stopped winning fights. So it was as hollow a victory as you can get. Prospect Floyd Patterson had just beat slade up.

Stop pretending Walls was any good. He was a flash in the pan. At best.

 

P4P Rocky was a ferocious puncher. There's footage of him hitting the heavy bag, and the way he rips in hooks is prodigious to behold.

I wouldn't consider him anywhere near the hardest punching heavyweight because in reality he wasn't a heavyweight, or even a cruiserweight really, but as far as light heavyweights go there aren't too many I can consider harder hitters.

Great consistency as well.

 

He wasn’t a light heavyweight

 

I agree.

I have never bought into the idea that Marciano could have combined the most extreme elements of a 1950s training regime, with the most extreme elements of a 21st century training regime.

He was however a small cruiser weight.

 

Stop pretending cokkell was good. He was a short fat blown up middleweight with a short reach who couldn’t crack an egg, had a weak jaw, was a slow plodder with horrible footwork, had no right hand, and had very poor athleticism. His handspeed was average at best. Cokkell would have walked right into walls like Layne did and gotten massacred.

Walls was rated top 5 two years in a row. Did cokell ever accomplish that?

 

Well he did manage to get ranked #2!

Did Walls ever manage that?

 

For him to “earn” that number 2 ranking it was either a terribly weak era or it was undeserving British hype.

I’ve already stated my case why Valdes, baker, Jackson, Moore , and even Neuhaus all should have been rated over Cockell in February of 1955.

I did Cockells heavyweight record out: 22-6

Very unimpressive

Wins:

Lastarza- coming off a physically damaging loss to Marciano. Lastarza that same year would get battered by both Julio mederos and Charlie Norkus. Was Lastarza washed up when he fought cockell? Looks like it

Matthews- 3 wins over a light heavyweight. When Matthews fought cockell, he was on his way down coming off a draw to journeyman Freddie Beshore and didn’t record one win over a contender the rest of his career.

Arthur- A British punching bag who had already been knocked out by Marciano sparring partner Jo Weiden and lost to 14-11 tomato can Anzell Adams

Williams- British Champ coming off a knockout loss to European Champ Heinz Neuhaus. Why didn’t cockell fight Neuhaus to determine who was the best in Europe? Valdes did and destroyed Neuhaus in 4 rounds. Williams also lost twice to British trialhorse jack Gardner.


Tommy Farr- 40 years old. enough said.


Nick Barone- a light heavyweight coming off two knockout losses to Bascom and nardico

Lloyd Marshall- 37 year old light heavyweight coming off 2 knockout losses to tomato cans whose names I can’t even pronounce


Lloyd Barnett- coming off two losses to cream puffs named gentle Daniels and reg Andrews



Losses:

Aaron Wilson: a smallish heavyweight who beat cokell twice, knocking him out with one punch. Coley Wallace twice beat Aaron Wilson.

Jimmy Slade- destroyed cokkell in 4 rounds. Slade couldn’t crack an egg, he was as weak a hitter as Paul spadafadora

Nino Valdes- floored cokkel in round 1 with a right hand, then sliced his face up so badly his corner stopped the fight

Kitteone Lave: knocked out cokell in 2 rounds. Coming off losses to Ken Brady, jack Gardner, Johnny Williams, and joe bygraves

Rocky Marciano- told Allie Colombo “I can’t get up for this fight. Everyone knows I’m gonna murder this guy”

 

Most of what you have written is irrelevant.

You are basically making the argument for who was the better fighter in hindsight, not who deserved to be ranked higher, at that point in time.

Rankings are based on policy, and the higher ranking goes to the man, who does best under the terms of that policy.

 

He KO'ed Walcott and Layne w one punch each essentially ending both guys competitive careers in the process. NO point in even arguing the rest as we all including you know it's a dumb post.