Hearn: "If Fury gets tonked out by Wilder, the Joshua fight will never happen"

No AJ fans where too.

I took a lot of flack on here for stating he was a weak champion, people believed the hype of 2 young champions facing each other was equating to some form of super fight that AN was again going to be in.....hype you see.....hype that casuals and cucks lap up.

Parker was inky a champion because he's in a weak division at the moment.....I guarantee he'll never be a champion again.

 

Ortiz knocks out everyone on Jenner's resume barring Wlad.

Whyte and Parker could barely stay on their feet for 12 rounds. That's pathetic at this level.

Takam didn't even train and was 36 and still stood up to Jenner's power.

Wilder's knocked out his opponents unconscious, clean out. Hospitalized them, gave them seizures.

He's been ducked by Bellew, Parker, AJ and now everyone wants Fury to pull out of fighting him because they're frightened by what he's capable of doing to Fury.

The baddest man in boxing, feared by those afraid of losing their 0 on their record. Made Billy run for his life and made AJ turn down the biggest pay day of his career so he could fight an old pudgy midget.

 

I had only seen his Takam/Ruiz fights before his fight with Joshua.....
And concluded in multiple threads pre-fight that they were far too competitive for him to have a chance to beat Joshua.


He is overrated.....

But he'd have won the WBC with the same route Wilder has.

 

Yes most likely he would have, though I'd argue he'd have his hands full against Stiverne.

Most certainly he wouldn't have done it in the same fashion and knocked them all out because Parker fights very conservatively and gets very lazy.

I certainly believed he was capable of raising his level when the quality of opposition improved.

However we found out in the AJ and Whyte fight that can't raise his level. He has very good technical ability with a solid jab and good lateral movement, but no killer instinct, a ponderous defense and very poor conditioning.

Ortiz would knock him out. Stiverne would take him through the trenches

 

I don't think he would have had an easy time with 2015 Stiverne, Parker struggled with almost everyone he fought
against and Stiverne was on Takam and Ruiz jr. level at the time, actually i think he was better than them.

 

Possibly, but Stiverne is better than anyone he's fought besides AJ. I'm not saying Stiverne is special in anyway but imo he and Parker would be a 50/50 fight.

 

I disagree.

Stiverne never had a good win imo.

Ruiz/Takam are better wins than anyone on Stiverne's resume.

 

Stiverne had 2 good wins over Arreola and a decent win over Austin, who again was nothing special but he had just put Golota away in a round the previous year iirc.

Takam arguably beat Parker as did Ruiz jr both fights where very close and elite fighters or at least top tier shouldn't be going life and death with Takam. Povetkin brutally knocked him out, AJ dominated him and even shop worn Chisor a did a better job.

Throw into the mix Parker laboured to a points win over Cojanu and we just saw what Ortiz did to Cojanu.....and that is what elite fighters should be doing to guys of that ilk.

 

Arreola was a gate keeper he was beaten every time he stepped up and didn't fight a scrub. I mean he even lost to Adamek who was a blown up light heavy. I'd confidently pick Takam to beat prime Arreola had they fought.

I mean what was Arreola's best win? Molina? Chazz Witherspoon? A shot and retired Jameel McCline. Maybe Seth Mitchell? Arreola beat nobody and I mean nobody that was even half decent.

I liked Stiverne when he fought Arreola, he has some skills though is flat footed. Thought he could go on and make a name for himself but fact is after he won the title he mentally checked out. It's well known he came in very heavy for the camp for the Wilder fight, probably why he got Rhabdo during that camp and he put even less effort in training for the rematch.

The Takam/Parker fight was close, I thought Parker just edged it. But you have to remember Parker took that fight when he was 24 and 18-0 at the time many said it was too soon and too big a jump in class and a risk to go from fighting Meehan, Martz and Bergman to suddenly fight someone who many regarded as world class at the time having given Povetkin a tough fight. Parker is a better fighter now than the version that fought Takam.

Yes Povetkin brutally KO'ed Takam. But Povetkin struggled badly with him, Takam caught Povetkin with shots that physically moved him, if Takam was any kind of puncher he could of KO'ed Povetkin with those flush shots. He was out boxing Povetkin early before he was broken down.

Yes Chisora beat Takam but that wasn't a probably still prime 35 year old Takam that Chisora fought but a 41 year old Takam. That's ancient for a boxer, the Takam that fought Parker probably would of beaten Chisora.

 

Again I'm not saying Arreola is anything special but neither is Takam who is a tough top 15 type fighter.

Remember Takam has no real victories over top opposition either and even lost to Gregory Tony, now I know he went on to improve but as had Arreola he always lost against the top opposition.

I think Stiverne who beat Arreola could be favoured over Parker who imo has not improved at all since the Takam fight.

 

@Odins beard

I'm guessing that you are consistent?

Jennings is a 'top 15 type fighter', yet that is Ortiz's only 'decent' win.

And it's highly probable, given he's failed 2 tests, one before and after this fight, that he was hot whilst winning any of his fights.


Ortiz's win over Jennings is no better than Parker's Takam/Ruiz JR.

Yet Ortiz is criminally overrated.

 

Takam is a tough journeyman type fighter, at least Jennings was top 10 ranked and Parker again could of arguably lost to both Ruiz and Fury and he laboured against Cojanu who was subsequently blown out in 2 rounds against the same Ortiz who you say is overrated.

For the record I too think that Ortiz is overrated but he is still better than both Parker and peanut head Whyte and keeping with Whyte, yes Ortiz has failed tests but so too has Whyte.

 

Of course Ortiz's wins over Jennings/Scott/Cojanu are better than Parkers wins over Takam/Ruiz jr./Cojanu
because Ortiz dominated them and Parker struggled badly. There's levels to it, not just looking at resumes, a
little bit thinking and common sense is required, Ortiz is a considerably better fighter than Parker.

Dominating fighters on a certain level > Struggling with fighters on the same level

 

"Dominating fighters on a certain level > Struggling with fighters on the same level".


Eric Molina.

 

I guess you mean Wilder struggled with Molina ?

Wasn't the case, Joshua did better against him but Wilder wasn't struggling.