Rocky Marciano's so called punching power

Oh Edward. Matthews beating Charles is about as equivalent as a pitcher getting out Lou Gehrig during spring training in 1939.

Charles in 1956 was so far beyond washed up I can’t even put it into words.

Matthews win over Charles holds zero credibility


The Layne win was fresh off Layne losing to 11-2 club fighter Willie James by wide decision. Was Layne on his way down fading fast or was he just never that good? You decide. I lean toward the former

If Matthews made it, what would be the basis? Should Willie James make it as well for beating Layne? What are matthews other heavyweight wins? He doesn’t have any. His resume is paper thin at heavyweight. His losses to cockell look really bad considering cockell looks awful on film.


Henry went 3-0 against Baker and Satterfield prime versions. 2 men better than anyone matthews beat

Henry’s knockout over baker in Madison square garden came when baker was rated 4th in the world and undefeated.

“Neuhaus”

European Champion. Rated top 5. Beat Bucceroni, sys, hoff, Williams, and cavvichi

Loss to Parker does not count my ratings are 1950-1955

“Parker”

Irrelevant what Parker did post 1955. This list is made for 1950-55. Parker’s wins in 1956 do not count

Parker did not do enough but I might rate him over cockell head to head

“Jackson”

Yeah he could be rated over Henry based on resume. It’s like splitting hairs. I prefer Henry he was better

 

Layne also came out of that year with a loss to 11-2 tomato can Willie James! A wide loss!

 

Fresh off a loss to 11-2 tomato can Willie James. How hard was Layne to defeat at that point?

 

People can say what they like about Marciano being a bit over rated or lucky ect but he was a terrific puncher .. he ruined guys .. Louis retired, Walcott retired, Layne destroyed ... pound for pound he was as tough as they come.

 

harder to beat then than he was when Walls beat him?

 

He ruined guys because he ground them down to stationary obelisks they shipped horrendous unceasing punishment before submitting.
Layne
Cokkell
Charles
Walcott
Lastarza

Were never the same after facing him

 

Oh Rocky Jones! The guy lost every year he was active! Why can’t the guy be happy with the one good win?

Max Schmeling, Joe Frazier and Rodrick Bowe can lose to guys they already beat but not Rocky Jones?

It’s highly likely jones could lose legitimately to a guy he already beat since The guy got knocked out by Freddie Beshore, Slade and Dan Bucceroni (went 0-3 against Dan the butcher altogether), Billy Gilliam stopped him, even some Dame called Polly beat him on points!

But yeah, if Jones wanted to talk himself up all he has to say is he could have beat Roland twice if he wanted to, who would believe that?

It’s powder room talk. If it came out in a powder room that it was Roland who held back on Jones, that would be more believable, but it would still just be Taken with a pinch of salt by rational folks.

 

Great post.

 

You said it yourself...rocky jones sucked. Yet lastarza got knocked down by him, easily outpointed, and in the rematch got knocked down again and cut.....

How good was a prime Roland Lastarza if he couldn’t even get by Jones?

 

Edwards Stooge.

The funny thing is Edwards list is the exact same as mine give or take moving some one around 1 or 2 spots.

 

I will re post

Again, Matthews and Lastarza never did anything but get their names associated with Marciano. And because the name Marciano can never be more than inches from your quivering lips, you also keep hearing Matthews and Lastarza and convince yourself that those two were actual entities in the division.

Sorry, that was not the case. And beating them does not promote ****ell into legitimacy as a heavyweight title challenger.

 

Marciano fans are in denial when it comes to cokkell Matthews and lastarza. It’s pathetic.

Here’s an accurate rankings of the era

1950-1955

Tier 1

Rocky Marciano
Ezzard Charles
Jersey Joe Walcott
Archie Moore
Harold Johnson
Joe Louis

Tier 2

Rex Layne
Nino Valdes
Hurricane Jackson
Clarence Henry
Bob Baker
Bob Satterfield
John Holman

Tier 3

Roland Lastarza
Cesar Brion
Heinze Neuhaus
Karel Sys
Earl Walls
Dan Bucceroni
Don Cokkell
Harry Matthews


This is not hindsight. This is how it was seen during the era.

 

My take:

Louis and Johnson too high.

Layne, Valdez, and Henry a bit too low.

Cockell too low.

 

How is H Johnson to high?

Defeated Valdes, Henry, Satterfield, Moore, Charles

That’s an impressive resume. He also looks great on film

Louis only lost to Charles and Marciano and was dominant against brion agramonte Bivins and savold . He’s also joe Louis. That name means something. I guess you could say he retired in 51 and didn’t stick around long enough

Henry Valdes too low.. interesting I could see them higher. Laynes about right, 3 very good wins...but burnt out quick and had some horrendous losses

Cokkell too low...how? His best two wins are over a washed up Lastarza and light heavyweight Matthews and he suffered 4 knockout losses at heavy. He also looks horrible On film. Who would he be above?

 

Over all? Not as good as Don Cokkell. Don went 3-0 against Kid Mathews and beat Lastarza, so at one time that meant something. But sure, timing has a lot to do with that. Just like Roland took Rocky to a split decision and beat Cesar Brion. At the time losing to Cokkell put Don up front. Hindsight? Well you need to be in the future to get smug. Without it folks had to go with current results.

Here is a link to Dan Bucceroni vs hein ten Hoff. Roland beat Bucceroni and Cokkell beat Lastarza.
https://www.gettyimages.ie/detail/v...rs-referee-in-ring-men-news-footage/583943612