Primo Carnera's ability

I dunno mcvey - I somewhat wish I could be as brutally blunt with the facts, as you, chap.

 

Cogent points that will not be satisfactorily answered!

 

The "crushing power" comment made me laugh, too.


What's your thoughts on the Godfrey low blow on Carnera?
Seems to me that Carnera's time in the circus, helped greatly with some amateur dramatics that night...

 

Joe Louis on Carnera- "he couldn't punch, but he had a pretty decent Jab“ and that’s from somebody notoriously dismissive of his opponents.

Joe Louis on jimmy Braddock - "I could have finished him anytime after the first round" .

Joe Louis on max Baer "he came out of his corner like he was scared to death" "the only time he hit me hard was at the end of the second round. He'd hit me with two rights to the head, but they didn't hurt. He couldn't hit as hard as I thought he could " "for a while I think he tried to throw the fight. He just wasn't right. I don't know what happened to him that night. I felt he wasn't the fighter I thought he should have been"

So Joe Louis saying Carnera had a “pretty decent jab” is as close to an endorsement as you will get from Joe Louis.

when did I say that it did? It’s completely obvious that PEDs don’t add skills. They are called Performance Enhancing drugs not skill enhancing drugs. I thought Everyone knows that?

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Max Schmeling called Primo a "technically sound boxer" who "could penetrate any defence" with his reach and leverage. Unsurprisingly, Max "was not surprised Carnera kayoed Sharkey.” You don’t think Schmeling knew what he was talking about?

That’s right the 1930s was one of the shallowest talent pools in history. Is that why Joe Louis, the best heavyweight of all time, got himself knocked out within the shallowest talent pools in history?

if you know the names, understand the resume if the opponents, follow the pattern of results relevant to the ratings of that period it is clear that Primos prime was around the time of the Sharkey win until the Neusel win. He lost to two very good punchers in Joe Louis and Max Baer during that time. Lennox Lewis got himself one punch-knocked out by Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman so it’s not that bad by comparison.

 

Including Schaaf is, in my view shameful
Loughran was out weighed by 86bs without a punch.
Levinsky was an in and outer.
Campolo was an also ran.
Uzcudun was a back number who hadn't been ranked for 5 years
Lasky was 16 fight novice,[Carnera had 68 fights under his belt]Lasky was outweighed by78lbs!
Neusel quit.
Godfrey ? Many think he had the cuffs on and even if he didn't it was a dsq.
Santa was a nobody.

 

Here's a question for all. Why was Carnera essentially shot as a fighter at age 31, ten so - so fights after being destroyed by Louis and Baer ?

 

I'm undecided as a to whether a story I read is true,its supposed to be the basis for the Toro Molina scenario where the opponent refuses to be knocked out but agrees to be dsq'd to salvage his pride.
It's known Godfrey had the cuffs on for some fights with white opponents, given that he could hit, I don't think the brain trust behind the Alp would have risked the matchup if it was kosher.

"Many observers considered the 1930 Carnera fight to be fixed. Godfrey was disqualified in the sixth round when he was clearly getting the better of Carnera.[3]

Time Magazine, in an October 5, 1931 cover story on Carnera before he won the heavyweight title, commented on his odd career.

"Since his arrival in the U. S., backed by a group of prosperous but shady entrepreneurs, Carnera's career has been less glorious than fantastic.... Suspicion concerning the Monster's abilities became almost universal when another adversary, Bombo Chevalier, stated that one of his own seconds had threatened to kill him unless he lost to Carnera. Against the huge, lazy, amiable Negro George Godfrey (249 lb.), he won on a foul. But only one of 33 U. S. opponents has defeated Monster Carnera—fat, slovenly Jim Maloney, whom Sharkey beat five years ago. In a return fight, at Miami last March, Carnera managed to outpoint Maloney."

Godfrey had knocked out Maloney (who went on to beat Carnera after the latter's defeat of Godfrey in 1927). "

 

How come in and outer Leroy Haynes destroyed him with ease twice?

 

I like you old man, but you are out of your depth here. What are the chances that many good fighters all really can be dismissed against just one guy? What are the odds?

The win over Neusel, right after Hollywood would have you believe Primo was thrown to the wolves, was entirely legitimate. And Neusel was an elite fighter.

“Primo made good use of his long left jab, keeping it regularly in his opponents face and racking up points. Even so Neusel made his best showing in the first round. He rushed at Carnera with the opening bell and the force of the attack completely surprised the ex champion. Early in the round Neusel landed a barrage of combination punches to Carneras head and shook the massive Italian who pawed futilely and pawed ineffectively at his opponent. As the round wore on, however, Primo regained composure and began pummelling Neusel with left and rights to the head and body in what was to become a rout.


The second round was even for the first minute. Neusel started fast, but soon began missing as Primo ducked and weaved. An uneffected and smiling Carnera began landing unanswered blows. Two quick rights snapped Neusels head back, staggering the German to the ropes. He spent the rest of the round trying to avoid Carneras blows by going into the clinch.


Neusel again rushed Carnera as the third stanza began. He landed a quick left and right to Primos body, but this time Carnera countered with a hard left and right to Neusels face. For the rest of the round Carnera landed punishing combinations with minimal response from his opponent. By the end of the session Neusel, who was now clearly in trouble, staggered around the ring.


In the fourth round Neusel was near exhaustion. Still game, however, he mustered what energy he had left and put it all into a hard right cross that landed high on Carneras head. The shot rocked Primo, but he quickly steadied himself and continued stalking his worn down foe. Soon afterward Primo landed a hard left hook to the head that opened a deep gash above the Germans right eye and left him clearly stunned. Still lacking the killer instinct and disinclined to hit Neusel again, Primo looked at referee Arthur Donovan in the hope that the arbiter would stop the bout. To Primos dismay, Donovan waved to the two men to continue. With his eyesight impaired by the ugly gash and the streams of blood it exuded, Neusel raised his right hand as a sign of surrender and walked to his corner. The wounded, exhausted German was declared the loser by technical knockout after two minutes and twenty three seconds of the round.”

 

On the contrary, Louis was usually gracious about his opponents.
" Nobody took it like Maxie"etc

"He had nothing," is Louis' endorsement of Carnera!lol

 

Because Primo went into the ring ill perhaps?

 

I can out debate you when I'm half asleep what you do is infuriate posters with your dishonest and circular arguments that stray completely off track that's why McGrain avoids you.
Liking=disliking has jack **** to do with it. Neasel quit and his corner were none too pleased about it!

 

The report says Neusel was beat up, bleading, blinded and exhausted. He surrendered mid ring -not in the corner. There is no mention of this being at all unsatisfactory in any report I can find. This sounds just like Jimmy Young against Gerry Cooney. Only Primo beat a still good man.

 

Please Repeat anything dishonest I have said on this thread.

 

Neusel was an in and outer who lost far too many times and often to third raters,to be considered anything else.