Warrington vs Frampton

I agree that Carl seems to be in a better place of late. I'm a big fan of Carl's and have been for a long time, since he turned pro really. Even before he won the Celtic belt I was telling my friends that he would go far. I said back then that he'd not only go all the way but he'd turn into a seasoned w/champion.
Carl has delivered everything I thought and hoped he would but I think that at nearly 32 and after the Santa Cruz loss he's now not the same fighter. And I certainly don't think he's the same at 126 as he was at 122. Warrington never gets the recognition he deserves imo. He's never lost and has the longest running 0 in the UK atm. He's never been hurt in a fight and he's never been down, hes never even been marked up hardly.
He totally outboxed a boxer in Lee Selby, who no one gave Josh a chance of beating, he outboxed him and beat him up. I think come again when they meet Carl will be fav and that's probably right, but Josh is peaking now and I expect him to beat Carl and I wouldn't at all be surprised if he beats him just as handily as he did Lee.

We can go on all day about what Carl and Josh may or may be able to do when they meet. Like I said, Joshs record for stoppages at 126 over championship rounds is better than Carl's. That to me says more for these two at 126. It's true that Carl has the better resume overall.

like I said to moog above.

 

Frampton clinic IMO. I believe Warrington was made to look good against Selby as he was dead at the weight, and I believe Frampton's distance control will see him box rings around Warrington. If I'm wrong then fair play, but that's the way I see it.

 

Really like this fight, interesting to see just how much bite The Jackal has left. I've gone for a Framps KO, just feel that he has the quality and accuracy to chin Wazza but Warrington is the hungriest of young lions.
Great fight and I'm happy to see them both in a fair fight with both being on A form.

 

so which one is it?

 

Well that depends on josh. If he really comes to win, attacksnon stop and refuses totakeabackwardstep, then i could easily envision him taking a lot of hard shots, accumulate a lot of punishment and his corner or the ref intervening sometime in thekast3 rounds. If on the other hand he starts out aggressive... .feels Carl's power then changes his approach and boxes more cautiously... (Likejackson andnonito did) ....then I expect hewillhear the finalbell, as they did...but losing .. .As they did.

It will be a hard tough competitive fight for the first 7-9 rounds. Carl won t have iteasy.

 

As regards Josh's fitness and engine, remember abeyond-shot kiko Martinez won the last round. Remember that?

 

Don't know why posters keep saying Selby was dead at the weight it's as though you won't give Josh the credit he deserves. No one was saying it before the fight, then as soon as Josh gave him a boxing lesson, then it's because Selby under performed because he was dead at the weight. It was nothing to do with Josh putting a clinic on someone , who everyone thought only had to turn up good at the weight.
I've said this many times before, Lee was no more drained that night than he had been for his previous 5 or 6 fights. No one was saying Lee was dead at the weight when he beat Brunker or grad. I was at the weight in for Brunker and let me tell you, Lee looked a whole lot better on the scales v Josh than he did against Brunker. I even mentioned how bad he looked on the scales against Brunker on here, back then.

 

Lots of people. . Myself included. .. Had been saying for along time now, that Lee Selby was on borrowed time at 126. He has-been looking g lie a death camp survivor on the scales for years now. It caught up to him against Josh. Granted Josh won and won well but... And it's a big but... You just can't overlook Lee Selby condition in there. He was a zombie. Josh has beaten a shot kiko Martinez and a weight drained Selby.. He has yet to beat a genuinely 100 percent fit top level opponent in his prime. Josh has looked good, sure. But until he does beat a prime top feathweight I will continue to regard him as unproven.

To convince me he is top world level, ..to get me fully on board with him, he has to either beat carl , or at the very least run Carl close in a tight hard fight fight. That would do it for me. That's the level of proof I need.

 

Well if your agreeing that Lee was just as weight drained against Brunker, grad, montiel,Hunter, barros, Ramirez then we are on the same page. That's been my point all along. Lee was no worse against Josh as he was against Brunker, as far back as that and the rest of the opponents since then

 

They weren't as good as Josh. Lee got away with against those guys. Josh's workrate and output make him a nightmare for someone less than fully fit. It caught up to him against Josh.... He went to the well once too often I'm afraid. Lee isn't a youngster either remember .....

 

Thing is mate with these fighters who choose to boil themselves down for the weight and Lee is a good example also a lot of the Irish fighters seem to choose this route. Kell Is another good example.
Their tactics is to come in on the night a division or two heavier than their opp. Lee on the night would of been about 10.2 or10.3Josh would of been 9.7 or 9.8 that's 8/9 lb difference. Down in the low weights that's 2 division difference. The fighters who boil down know that usually their performance will drop round about rounds 7,8, but by then they've usually done enough damage to their opponents either by way of physical damage dished out to a fighter 2 divisions lower. This damage then has a cumalitive effect and wears the other fighter down faster than had they been in with a opponent who was close to their own weight on fight night, or because of the size difference the heavier fighter has racked up all the early and mid rds and can take their foot off the peddle.
This weight draining is a tactical choice and no one diminishes any fighter who em0loys the above strategy, when they get a win, it's only when they lose, then people say, "oh he was dead at the weight"
This is the strategy these fighters/trainers chose to employ they get all the accolade when they win then when they lose, excuses are made.
The fighters that chose this route have usually been dead at the weight all the fights they've been involved in but when they get the win it's not picked up on.

 

Not completely correct, because fighters can make the weight they fight at easier then years later, although they can still do it, it has a more detrimental impact on their performance as it becomes harder to sustain. So saying Selby was the same 4 years back or so isn't correct.

It's one of the reasons I believe Groves doesn't have the same snap on his punches since probably when he fought badou jack, not because he was cobra'd or that nonsense. Just he can't make weight as easy as he could 4 years ago and its telling.

 

All excellent points here, good discussion. Let’s not forget that josh himself is a very big fearltherweight,,...it’s not beyond possibilities that HE might be struggling at the weight himself one of these days....!!! Just saying..

 

I was speaking in general like .
You are quite correct, some make it easier in the early days than they do a few years down the line.
That's usually down to the fact that the body recovers faster the younger you are.
The main point I was putting out was that fighters (some), under the guidance of their trainers, will put their bodies under extreme pressure to fight in as low a division as possible.
The lower the division is given more credence than fighting at 100% performance. Some will gamble with 90% performance output coupled with been 2 divisions bigger in the ring.
Not only is age a factor but a lot of these lads start these tricks early in their careers as well. Been young and fighting for masters or challenge belts as they are now over 8rounds or are titles over 10, is more manageable than when they get a little older and it's over 12 rounds.

Afaik Josh has no problems with his weight. I heard him say leading into the Selby fight that sometimes he has to not eat quite as clean on the last week or two
By that I don't mean he starts ordering takeaways but has to swap white fish for something else, steak or something like that.
Josh is in fantastic condition going into fights. My partner after seeing Josh on our local news just before Selby said, "wow he looks like Bruce lee" lol.
Maybe one day though he may outgrow the weight. You never know