What's the point of cruiser weight if

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  1. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    That would mean that Holyfield when he fought Bowe, Douglas and Foreman and this was after he'd bulked up, was still only as large as an average 2018 cruiser weight contender.
     
  2. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    I know Foreman wasn't a cruiser weight, but with day before weigh ins, some cruiser's are the size he was against Frazier on fight night. With the day before weigh ins, it's possible that you could have a cruiser weight fighter in the ring weighing 217 pounds at 6'3, Foreman's height and weight when he beat Frazier the first time around. My point was that it seems like the cruiser weight fighters are really heavyweights.
     
  3. Mark Adam

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    Holy was stronger than Tyson when he fought him, no cruiserweight in history could have stood toe to toe with Mike.
     
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    Haye was knocked out at cruiserweight also.
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  6. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Well some would say that PED's had something to do with it
     
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  7. Nighttrain

    Nighttrain 'BOUT IT 'BOUT IT Full Member

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    A truly frustrating and mind boggling “Foreman fact” is that he believed in the dehydrating himself immediately prior to a fight! The implications of this bizarre, archaic practice can be dizzying.

    What would his weight Have been using current hydration practices?!

    How did this practice impact his performance , Especially in those flights that took place in hot climates that went into the later rounds?!
     
  8. Mendoza

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    Mendoza said: [url][/url]
    What's the point?

    The average top 10 cruiser weight is about 6'1" tall 205 pounds.

    The average top 10 heavyweight is about 6'5" tall 240 pounds.

    You've got a x2 jump in weight class here. I have become a fan of the cruiser weight division. The talent level is high, and the top talents meet each other producing good fights! Heavyweight boxing 40 -70 years ago, if you will. If the division ever becomes really popular, the top fighters will belt milk, but its not there yet.

    About right. Holyfield wasn't a big guy. He had thin legs. From the shoulders up he was a heavyweight. Holy had a big neck. His durability, heart and skills allowed him to compete with bigger men, but he struggled vs the best big men he fought. Perhaps the PED's gave him the power he needed. We'll never know for sure of he could have moved up and been as successful without them.
     
  9. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    I used Foreman as an example to make a point, but you can feel free to substitute Tyson, Frazier, Liston, Holmes etc if you want to.
     
  10. Nighttrain

    Nighttrain 'BOUT IT 'BOUT IT Full Member

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    Perhaps I digressed! The Foreman dehydration is always an interesting one for me but I will actually address the issue you raised.

    I don't think the Cruiser division is redundant and I think it could prove to be one the more interesting divisions. If it was truly redundant we would have seen examples of simultaneous Cruiser/ Heavy champs. If championship bouts returned to 15 rounds in which stamina returned to being of greater import, perhaps your scenario would be more likely?

    I am tempted to venture into quasi related topic of the need to return to same day weigh ins but that would be digressing.
     
  11. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Dunno how that's relevant to my post bud.
     
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  12. Mark Adam

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    I didn`t like Haye being used as an example at all because I don`t even think he was a decent cruiser, no disrespect for you intending, but Haye fans got on my nerves before the Bellew rematch he was clearly shot even in their first fight, just had to get it off my chest somewhere, sorry.
     
  13. GlaukosTheHammer

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    :lol: I can dig it.

    Just to be clear I didn't mean to say he was good just popular.
     
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  14. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very feel me good. Full Member

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    Sorry, I perhaps should have clarified my views a bit better. I fully recognise that the past few decades have brought us elite superheavyweights in Lennox, The Klits and now Fury and Joshua, but those are about the only genuine superheavyweights we've had. Most of the rest of the division have just got fatter or more bulked up.

    That may change with the advent of guys like Dychko and Hrgovic, in which case I'll alter my views accordingly.
     
  15. Mendoza

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    No worries, we're cool. Dychko, and Hrgovic are skilled big men. Arslanbek Makhmudov might be the most heavy handed guys I've seen in years, and oh my is he a scary looking due. Yoka is very tall with fine skills.