Wtf is the minimum age to become a Thai prizefighter???

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  1. pow

    pow Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Nobody is forcing the kids to fight, I'm sure as in the case of the op he was matched to his ability. As he won a comfortable decision it appears that was the case.

    Will you be extending your rant to involve all contact sports? Kids participate in karate tournaments all over the united states from a very young age. Kids play rugby at school, american football, ice hockey, la crosse, wrestling, ju-jitsu etc etc.

    Another one who debuted at 14 Sumanthar Baenkham http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/725211 4-4(3ko)
     
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  2. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    They compete against other kids. With copious amounts of regulation with safety at the fore.

    Generously assuming that in all cases like the OP the matchmaking is going to be meticulously prearranged so there is no danger of the kid getting hurt is a) no guarantee, the pro game is after all a business and full of vultures and discompassionate bloodsucking leeches and fat cats world over (and let's just get it out of the way right now: Thailand is anything but an exception to that) and even in first-world countries if you let people like that believe they can get away with something unethical (involving kids or not!! These monsters have no moral compass) for profit and gain, bank on them disappointing your inner humanist and seizing the opportunity ...and b) that sort of robs the sport of all competitive edge and degrades the integrity of boxing, no? If you know ahead of time for sure that no danger exists of the fully grown 22 year old scoring the upset, that verges on scripted, WWE territory or at the very least harkens back to boxing's checkered past when fight-fixing was as commonplace and integral a part of it as were thick inscrutable fogs of cigar smoke at ringside. Boxing has, by 2018 (with a few exceptions like Zhilei Zhang and Ali Raymi ...who stick out all the more in stark contrast to the mainstream mostly because they ARE the exceptions) cleaned up its act. So I hope you're not arguing that 14 years olds boxing 22 year olds - in sanctioned pro bouts that get registered to databases like boxrec - are okay so long as the latter party "goes easy" or fully climbs in the proverbial tank.
     
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  3. sjp17

    sjp17 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Is there a copy of the fight on youtube ? Can anyone provide the link ?
     
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  4. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    I imagine that there are younger prostitutes than pro fighters there.
     
  5. Sphillips

    Sphillips Active Member Full Member

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    As much as the complaints against are done with the right intentions and duty of care,you cannot ignore the fact that the local culture matters.

    We have 2 posters living in Thailand here who don’t understand the horror shown in the OP,it’s clearly not illegal and no governing bodies national or international say different as far as I’m aware.

    These aren’t teenagers being fed to the sharks here,like the Mexicans named,this is an apprenticeship of sorts before the real battles start when they are physically ready.

    Tales of unscrupulous behaviour shown to boxers is only relevant here if it’s evidence of it happening to these teens in question,or are they being matched conservatively?
     
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  6. Sphillips

    Sphillips Active Member Full Member

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    I’ll add that I don’t agree with it but there’s a lot of things I don’t understand that are deemed ok and vice versa.

    I’d have to see examples of teens being thrown to the wolves before being appalled by it.

    And to reinforce my point earlier,I spar with 14/15 year olds that would beat senior amateurs and I’ve seen 16 year olds that you would assume (I did) are early 20’s beating up experienced pro’s in training.
     
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  7. gmurphy

    gmurphy Land of the corrupt, home of the robbery! banned Full Member

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    One of my friends moved to thailand to be a pro muay thai boxer.
    He says there's 3and 4 years old there training their behind off with great technique. May be 14 but probably has 10 experience behind him as insane of a rationle that sounds
     
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  8. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    I don't care if they are child fighting prodigies or even potentially the best in the world h2h in their weight range or even p4p; that is besides the point (or rather, is only PART of the overarching point). Even if they're fully capable of defending themselves against (or even dominating) the level of adults they are matched with, the fact remains that brain damage is accumulative. The younger someone begins to play a combat sport or football or anything else with a clear & present high-impact cephalic trauma risk as a matter of course at any serious, competitive, all-age inclusive level, the sooner they are being set up to become vegetables by midway through life. Children's brains shouldn't be getting hit the way pros hit (ie not a light friendly spar, not with headgear and/or poofy gloves, and not under supervision...but under pressurized, high-stakes environs where men are literally fighting to put food on theirs and their families' tables) - neither by adults nor by other highly trained children.

    Period.
     
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  9. Patter983

    Patter983 Active Member Full Member

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    I'm 35 i was sparring a young 15 year old lad only two years ago . Nothing to heavy it's the norm the same lad was also doing light sparring with Mark Hefron around the same time as well as many other adults.
     
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  10. Sphillips

    Sphillips Active Member Full Member

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    It’s actually the norm as anyone who spends time in the gym will know.

    I was reading the other day about how John Ryder was battering grown men in the ring at 15 years old.Any teenager with realistic aspirations of being a success in the pro’s will be doing hard sparring with top pro’s every week.

    Talking of accumulative damage extends to this as well,just because it’s 18 oz doesn’t matter,it hurts and takes it’s toll.Now if our leading trainers in the west pair up teenagers with experienced top level pro’s in the ring then I will bow to their superior knowledge and understanding of the sport and how to develop a fighter and a man.
     
  11. sjp17

    sjp17 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    IB you should take a holiday and experience it first hand, spend a bit o time watching how they train and go to a few shows then see how you feel about it, dont let your judgement be set by stories on a forum and one fight you watched which included a 14 yrs vs a 22yrs.

    Go enjoy yourself buddy ;)
     
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  12. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    people seem to be missing the point and arguing technicalities or ideal situations. there is a reason that knowledge has prompted us to deny a 14yo the right to drive solo on our streets, and thats the same reason he shouldnt be allowed to risk his life in the ring. just because all the 14yo you know can drive like dale earnhart, doesnt mean we should set up the system to allow all 14yo to take to our highways. a well run amateur program is us letting these kids drive around the stadium parking lot, the pro game is sticking him on the autobahn.
     
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  13. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    :deal:
     
  14. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    And? So? Do two wrongs make a right? Extortion isn't quite as bad as Arson and Kidnapping... that doesn't mean we should legalize Extortion. I'm sure many people would prefer being raped to being murdered, that doesn't mean we should legalize rape.
     
  15. Anne-Marie

    Anne-Marie Member banned Full Member

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    Whoever reported this doesn't know the first two rules of fight club
     
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