What's the point of cruiser weight if

Do you have a proof for CWs weighting more than 215, or even 220lb on fight-night?

 

The weighin fiasco has turned the sweet science into better fighting through chemistry.

 

I'm not sure of any official fight night weights, but Huck, Haye, Briedis and Adamek all fought their first HW fights between 210 and 215 without looking appreciably any bigger than they did at CW. Adamek and Haye later bulked up, but Huck and Briedis went right back to fighting at CW afterwards, with no loss of performance. That indicates to me that they weren't exactly packing on the pounds to get there.

 

It’s obvious. If you look into it you will find it too.

What do you make of 5’9” Orlin Norris? When he wanted to be a heavyweight Norris was in line with David Tua for weight. He turned pro at 199lb aged 20. Grew to 227lb contender (who beat Greg Page, Renaldo snipes and Tony Tucker) all within four years as an exclusive heavyweight then aged 25 Norris dropped to 189 on a whim to become a “cruiserweight”.

Orlin weighed 246 against Brian Neilson. Then in his very last fight aged 39 he weighed 196lb which was heavier than 188lb he was during previous “cruiserweight” days but still lighter than his debut weight of 199lb some 19 years earlier aged 20 years old. At HW Orlin often fought between 212-230.


Altogether Orlin was close to Tua when he wanted to be a heavyweight and close to Marciano when he wanted to be a “cruiser”. He started as a growing heavyweight dropped to “cruiser”, won the title. Grew back up to HW then dropped to CW again.

And Norris was one of the smaller “cruiserweight” body frames. Who knows what The taller ones might weigh if they wanted to?

 

I don´t care about boxers going up and down in weight in time periods of months (unknown). It proofs nothing.

So I ask you again. Do you have any proofs for CWs fighting over 215lb, or even 224lb on fight night?

Usyk for example fought at 207/208 (PROOFED by scale):

https://ibb.co/dFFUKR
https://ibb.co/gst8eR

 

It’s out there. And it’s so obvious. Research it yourself.

You are splitting hairs. Are you saying it is impossible that a 6’5” 208lb guy can’t weigh 220 and still cheat the scales when in the lower weight classes fighters rehydrate an even larger percentage of their total body weight than that?

 

In my opinion those two are heavyweights not Superheavyweights and they should be fighting where’s the heavyweights are fighting.

Heavyweight is not heavyweight anymore. It is Superheavyweight.

 

That's a result of durability, determination and skill as much as punching power. And strength does not have a natural correlation to punching power either. Ruiz was strong as hell in the clinch but a mediocre puncher.

 

There's never been any shortage of big men who could punch in the HW division. The thing which separates them from the true SHWs is that a true SHW is just as fast, skilled and coordinated as his smaller opponents, but also possessed of all the strengths of his increased size. Most men labelled as "SHWs" these days are just the typical big, clumsy oafs that were a dime a dozen in the old days. I don't see any point in elevating them to something they're not, just because they happen to be fighting in the modern era.

Of the men mentioned above, Dychko and Hrgovic look like they might have potential; time will tell. Makhmudov, I'm afraid, just looks like a big goon to me, and Yoka hasn't impressed either.

Honestly though, none of those guys look a patch on a young Wlad or Lennox, even a young Joshua (who initially I wasn't that high on). There's just too many obvious deficiencies with their style that a smaller man could counter.

 

I know the question wasn't addressed to me, but I think both men would have been absolutely fine fighting at HW; then again, I feel the same way for most top CWs today. Holy especially could have moved up and down depending on his goals.

 

AJ is not at a lower level in terms of talent or popularity, he broke the British record for stadium attendance figures for a sporting event. (90,000 spectators attended his fight vs Takam!).

 

A prime Tyson would have destroyed a 208 pound Holy, silly comparison by McGrain.