Stan ward about mike tyson in the foreman,Ali and frazier era

Yes they pretty much threw Ward to the wolves as they did "survivor" Mike Weaver, and he could have had a Duane Bobick 38-0 pro record with they same opponents, hands full with LeDoux, Neumann, Bunny Johnson, Wepner maybe.
OK here we go, "who did Tyson beat to be against Ali, Foreman, Lewis? etc. Anybody really good sent him for the 'Ten Count' Excluding Buster Douglas of course.

 

I disagree. The run up through Spinks was damn impressive.

 

That's not true!!! They had Lewis..... the Alvan variety not the Lennox variety and they had Chuck Wepner....young Tyson wouldn't stand a chance against these two monoliths!

 

Lewis would leave an unprecedented trail of destruction in the 70s

 

Ali and Frazier said something similar regarding Rocky Marciano but we hear what we want to hear, don't we?

 

Tyson is a legend and was great during his time, but his inability to fight on the inside would get him killed in Ali's era.

James Tillis exposed Tyson's limitations. A jab isn't enough to hinder Tyson, but if you keep him in the middle of the ring and attack him using angles Tyson's explosiveness and power can be easily neutralized.

Bonecrusher Smith learned this the hard way. He wasted most of the fight trying to use his jab, which Tyson was too fast for, but in the last round started using angles and easily landed flush on Tyson, but it was too little to late.

Buster Douglas started the fight off attacking Tyson in angels and had Tyson bamboozled most of the fight. To Tyson's credit he didn't quit and even managed to knock Douglas down, but eventually got knocked out himself.

George Chuvalo on Mike Tyson

And Tyson. He’s a tough kid. He walks right in. He’s that kind of a guy. He’s got lots of balls too. I like Tyson. I’d like to meet Tyson and show him a couple of things. I could help Mike.

His problem is he doesn’t know how to fight on the inside. If you take a look at his fight with Buster Mathis, Jr., he exposed that. There’s a chink in the armor. He’s too straight up on the inside. If he ever pulled his right leg back, his whole upper body would be at a forty five degree angle. He’s have his head on the other guy’s chest. He’d be safe. The other guy would have no room for any leverage and Mike would have all the leverage. His stance works against him on the inside. He’s easy to push back and he can’t fight when he’s going backwards. But Mike is a helluva an athlete. He’s very quick, got great reflexes and punches like a bazooka. He’s the only guy out there in the heavyweights who can give you goosebumps.

 

If you think that you may not understand boxing. And think that size equate to power. If that was the case Tyson Fury and Primo Canera should be the hardest punchers in heavy weight history.

 

He's my ex boxing coach. Good man. He was kind of plateaued though, 1960s era 190 lb heavyweight in the late-1970s. He was in his prime just before they created Cruiserweight. Just bad timing.

 

The rumor is that Tyson turned down the fight with Foreman a few times in George's comeback.

 

They both hit a lot harder than Wilfredo Gomez, or Salvador Sanchez, or Felix Trinidad.

 

What about Shavers, Foreman and Tyson tho?

 

The point is that it may not perfectly correlate, but size matters.

 

I'm not overly convinced the super heavyweights hit harder than the likes of Shavers, Tyson or Foreman. The 30-40 pounds between a Wilfred Gomez and say a Julian Jackson or even a Davey Moore is immensely more relevant than the 35 pound difference between Shavers and Lewis or the 35 between a Foreman and Vitali.

Once you get over that 200 pound mark there are both huge hitters and average hitters in the various weight brackets. The power Wilder showed at 215 last outing was immense and quite possibly better than all the super heavies or certainly thereabouts.

 

Ortiz never fought a puncher of note aside from Wilder so I don't see how you would gauge his durability. He never faced Povetkin, Joshua, Whyte, Breazeale, etc so we have little info with which to gauge his punch resistance.

 

Well you best hope Wilder falls in a heap moving forward against upcoming top 10 opposition. It's obvious at the very least that he has quite big power even if it's mostly been proven on lesser opposition.