Primo Carnera's ability

I don’t think it is so flimsy. Godoy had as many fights by then as many champions do when challenging for titles. This was presumably a main event. Godoy was already at the 12 round level. He was no raw kid at that point.

 

Exactly, Schmeling is an excellent source.

Muhammad Ali did not need awesome power to stop so many of his victims.

 

my take is that Carnera should not be compared to modern super-heavyweights. The modern super-heavyweights are big men in comparison to the modern heavyweight division, but not really out-sized. A lot of opponents are close to their size. So there are many guys in the same general size class to spar with and fight on the way up, and to learn against.

Carnera I would call a "giant"--a fighter really out-sized compared to the heavyweight division of his era. Even today Carnera at 270 lbs. in top shape would be plenty big. In his day there was simply nothing like him. Campolo has been mentioned, and was probably the best "giant" Carnera faced. Carnera outweighed him 267 to 225 in that KO video. Using my trusty calculator to get body weight %, I come up with if Carnera weighed 200 lbs. Campolo's 84% body weight would come out to 168 lbs. A super-middleweight.

The other big guys, Jose Santa and Ray Impellittiere, off record and film, could hardly fight at all. 180 odd pounders Loughran and Pastor beat Impellittiere. Santa wasn't even that good.

The only guy to compare with Carnera from the modern boxing world is Valuev, a true giant compared to his opposition.

So, like Schmeling pointed out, no matter how bad Carnera looks, his size, plus some assets like stamina, will carry him through against most opponents. Take Loughran. Using the same body weight measurement I did with Campolo, if Carnera weighed 200 lbs. Loughran would weigh 137 lbs. So a heavyweight is basically fighting a lightweight.

Now the contenders Carnera beat on his way up just weren't all that good. I recall in one post here Sharkey, Levinsky, and Uzcudun were mentioned as prime Carnera scalps. None beat puffed up middle Mickey Walker, who was close to a foot shorter and 100 lbs. lighter than Carnera. No matter how great Walker was, his success calls into question the quality of the normal sized bigger men cluttering up the heavyweight ratings.

As for the alleged fixes, one factor arguing against taking this too far is that apparently the first Maloney, first Sharkey, and Gains fights were on the level as Carnera lost. Why claim all the trial horses were fixed if better known opposition wasn't? Seems to boil down to losing to decent opposition scores against Carnera, but when he beats mediocre opposition it must be a fix although there doesn't seem to be much evidence of it.

 

Carnera would clown Anthony Joshua

 

Absolutely perfect. The Hollywood version seems to be the one some are set on accepting but there is not enough evidence of it.

 

There's plenty of evidence for those who are prepared to open their eyes.The others could not be persuaded if they had sworn affidavits admitting to fixes.This thread has run its course.
We have the overwhelming majority accepting the obvious and we have a couple of "the earth is flat posters" who will never accept the truth.
Waste of time talking with closed minds.

 

Is a quote from a box rec encyclopedia on how the fight went good research?

From the initial author yes. From a copy and paste job, no.

Carrera beat a champion, and some other fighters ranked in the top ten when he fought them.

He wasn't a hype job. He was a big man with a big heart, good athletic ability, and fair boxing ability. Unusually good stamina in the later round for a big man as well. On the downside, he did not have a good chin.

I think Carrera is better than Valuev.

 

As for the alleged fixes, one factor arguing against taking this too far is that apparently the first Maloney, first Sharkey, and Gains fights were on the level as Carnera lost. Why claim all the trial horses were fixed if better known opposition wasn't? Seems to boil down to losing to decent opposition scores against Carnera, but when he beats mediocre opposition it must be a fix although there doesn't seem to be much evidence of it.

Right, and as I said fixed fights work both ways. If Carrera was a heavy favorite, he could tank one for the gamblers. Did that happen?

One of my favorite Carrera quotes. Primo, what do you think of Hollywood? ( The reporter meant the city ) Primo says I'll knock him out too.

 

Ali had unparralled speed and accuracy.Do you see that in Carnera?

 

Why do fixed fights have to work both ways ?
If you are building an average fighter into a so called world beater with pre-arranged results, why would you need to have him deliberately lose fights? Total nonsense!
Fighters having their purses withheld and their licences withdrawn is pretty conclusive evidence I should think!

 

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I didn't need to refer to Box Rec.Im pretty much up to speed with Shulberg.Certainly I know a lot more about him than Choklab who after stating," I know all about Shulberg" was obliged to eat crow.

Full credit to him for doing so and admitting he was wrong,he's definitely ten times the man you'll ever be!

That's about 5 of my recent posts you have attempted to discredit.keep going ,the law of averages say you must get lucky eventually!lol

 

I like your style.

No Carnera dosnt need unparalleled speed and accuracy to stop the guys he did. He just needs to make those swiping connections that he did with those heavy arms.

Ali stopped guys who were sickened with being hit and not being able to hit him back as much in return. Primo did the same thing. He got hit more than Ali. But the experience was the same for the opponent. Primo landed more often. And that’s how fights are won.

 

Godoy had not beaten anyone of note by then.
He was a year and eight fights away from taking a decision against Loughran, at his third attempt.
Only after the Loughran win could Godoy be considered to have announced himself on the world-level stage.
Godoy was 6 years away from a title shot.

This is the version of Godoy you’re using to prop up Campolo, who in turn, having himself been unranked for over three years and being three bouts away from retirement, you’re using to prop up Carnera.


I think I was perhaps being kind, when I suggested this as being the flimsiest of attempts, on your part.

 

I think you could justifiably substitute dishonest for flimsy.

 

Seems to be the pattern, unfortunately. And, one that I doubt will change.