Roy Jones was better than Sugar Ray Robinson

If Robinson won the lightweight title from Angott, and beat Maxim for the LHW title, he would be unquestionably the GOAT. He'd be a 4 weight world champion. Keep in mind that in Robinson's time, there were only 8 weight classes, each with only one title.

 

Nope, its not just about number of weight classes in any case. He would still would lack the consistency of someone like Floyd.

 

So what?
At his PEAK is all that matters and Jones would school any man from 160-175
End of.

 

Again. Take away the ficking steroids and does he still have those same gifts? Or when have a non chemically enhanced Jones with his poor fundamentals just an also ran in the world of champions. Theres no doubt in my mind he wouldnt have as many paper titles. And likely not as many prime wins.

 

Have we been invaded by the general forum or something? Jesus. I love Roy, and he's a top TOP h2h fighter for me, but he wasn't better than SRR. Period.

 

The total is as follows by my count-Pete Lello, Sammy Angott, Fritzie Zivic, Marty Servo, Jake LaMotta, Jackie Wilson, Ralph Zannelli, Henry Armstrong, Tommy Bell, Georgie Abrams, Jimmy Doyle, Bernard Docusen, Kid Gavilan, Steve Belloise, Ray Barnes, Robert Villemain, Charley Fusari, Randy Turpin, Bobo Olson, Rocky Castellani, Gene Fullmer, Carmen Basilio and Denny Moyer for a total of 23

 

Some of the fights were over-weight matches that technically occured in a division in which the guy was unranked but I felt these wins should still be counted if it was only a pound or so over like his win over Sammy Angott. Angott was not a top 10 welterweight but the match was only a pound or so over the lightweight limit.

 

We have … especially when it moves to SRR lacked the consistency of Mayweather to try and strengthen your argument, lmao , which means he also lacked the consistency of Calzaghe, both with far superior resumes than SRR … right? haha

 

there is No Argument here, Ray Robinson is the Best fighter who ever lived and only other Numerous fights fighters, over extensively long careers can compare.

Doing a Top 10 on any Top fighter is interesting and good fun, But with SRR, it's Top 10 (?), 15 even... how about Top 25? well how about Top Champion Opponents, or Top Contenders, or wait how about just TOP 2 from every year of his 25 year career. Top 50 then it is.

Roy Jones by comparison, (great fighter, no argument), BUT, lets do Roy up until Tarver 1, before he was shown as defo beatable, before Roy "Y'all mustta forgot"... no we did'nt, but let the comparison begin.

SRR was NEVER really exposed as having any great flaws or weaknesses. Could he be beat? OF COURSE, they ALL Can Be and ARE Beaten, but Overall consistence in victory, competition, weight, fighting UP and facts, circumstances and longevity, Win or Lose says loads about him.

Roy was eventually shown to have weak whiskers, which credit to Roy took about 40 fights to happen and his excellence to 'perhaps' prevent it. and I say perhaps because IF Roy or ANY Fighter fights 3, 4 and 5 Times the number of fights and Top opponents well this kind of thing (Stoppages), WILL Happen!!!

So I think, IF Roy fought more, the Tarver 2 thing would have happened SOONER and might even have shortened his prowess at the Top. he might have been a competent fighter among hundreds.

and IF you don't except that possibility/Probability, well then just do the TOP Any Variation of Ray Robison's opponents and see IF there might have been a Tarver2 moment sooner and/or often.

do it with the men Roy Could've Should have met in a 100 fights 10 year period, - 50, 60 fighters, some in multiple meetings.

WHY?

because that IS Precisely what SRR (and others) DID.

 

Graziano seems to be missing at a first glance. As does Basora x 2 and Dellicurti. He also has five wins over LaMotta, four over Olson and two each over Zivic, Angott, Gavilan and Villemain. So at least 38 wins over ranked opp then.

 

Could Roy have won a title at 154?

 

Just to clarify, I suspect Coji has counted the boxers individually; not tallied, the total wins over top-10 opponents.

My estimate includes the multiple wins against Angott (x3), Zivic (x2), LaMotta (x5), Izzy Janazzo (x2), Tommy Bell (x2) Gavilan (x2), Villemain (x2) and Olsen (x3).

As long as they were ranked in the Top-10, at the time Robinson beat them, I consider them a win against a Top-10 guy.

 

Your opinion..not mine

 

Olson four times actually. And Graziano, Basora and Delicurti were missing in Cojimar's count.

With the additions from you and from me in my earlier post we have 42 wins for Robinson over ranked opposition.

To put it into perspective, I don't think anyone has busted 30 since Ali retired.

 

I don't see why he should more credit for beating the same guy over and over.