Carlos Zarate vs Lupe Pintor

15 and not very bright.

 

I watched in slow motion ... and Manny Pacquaio won.

 

Guess again, son.......

 

16? Maybe older but without knowledge of boxing history?

 

Fella. I watch old fights every day. I watched this fight live and heard the initial reaction and then heard the reaction from the boxing public for months afterward. No one scored this bout for Pintor. I did not score it for Pintor and I was a Pintor fan. To this day it's considered one of Boxings all time bad decisions. Can you find anyone who scored the bout for Pintor at that time?

 

Fair enough. I just re watched the last few rounds and it's as I remember. Pintor stepping forward but only landing an occasional blow while Zarate is peppering Pintor with jabs and combos from range. I remember like it was yesterday my feeling that Pintor could not be winning the bout simply because he was not landing many punches. It's not enough to step forward to win a fight. You need to be land punches. An effective aggressor.

 

A lot of the time these worst robberies lists from the internet age are cooked up in very half assed fashion by "journalists" that often don't even research the fights for themselves.just regurgitating the same old chestnuts.

The boxing media has always been prone to cry robbery for close fights without really giving an in depth assessment of the bout.especially if it's a hyped favourite getting beat.Or someone doing better than expected against a disliked champ...see half of Chris Eubank's fights, many of which the British press would have convinced you he had been thoroughly beaten in...but in reality most were just close fights.

That said, the fight was definitely deserving of being controversial at the time and could have gone either way, but one of the worst robberies ever? No it simply doesn't hold up to that.

 

I completely disagree. Can you name anyone aside from the two judges that scored it for Pintor? Aside from the fact Pintor just was not landing consistently he was cut, bleeding swollen mess at the bouts conclusion. He was also knocked down earlier in the bout. Again the thing that struck me at that time was Lupe was just not getting off. Hard to say you won a worlds championship by walking forward with hands up landing only an occasional solid blow. V

 

Agreed.

 

Perry. Yes. That was the name of that numbnuts.

 

Pintor began boxing when he was 13. For the first year, he trained nearly every day. He boxed as an amateur for four years before turning professional in 1974. His manager is Cuyo Hernandez, who also managed Zarate.

Pintor waited for his chance to win the bantamweight title. For two years, he said, he was the No. 1 challenger. ''Time was passing,'' he said. ''I was desperate to fight for the title.''

Finally, a bout against Zarate was unavoidable. Hernandez stepped aside and declared himself neutral. On June 3, 1979, Pintor won the W.B.C. bantamweight championship when he defeated Zarate on a split decision. Pintor offered the former champion an immediate rematch but a disgusted Zarate retired instead.

More good info on Pintor vs Gomez fight here:
https://www.nytimes.com/1982/12/02/sports/pintor-and-gomez-know-the-hazards.html

 

I gave it to Zarate by around 3 rounds if I remember correctly.

 

Man, that Perry guy was a real top tier, quality poster. Real shame this forum "lost" him over the years.

 

I guess it rather made me remember that I miss Gpater...what happened to him? Good quality young poster also dabbling in his own amateur boxing career from what I recall

 

A little insight into Bob Martin's score of 145-133. I don't know where he was from, but according to boxrec he must have been a novice because they are showing the Zarate-Pintor fight as his second assignment. Anyways, wherever he was from, some sharp-eyed official happen to see him scoring the rounds 5-4 instead of 10-9 (Amazing that there wasn't some kind of conference with the judges beforehand to go over the rules, especially with a fight of this magnitude). Anyways, when Martin was told that the rounds were scored on a 10 point must system, Martin simply doubled his score. So a 5-4 score became a 10-8 score. Absolutely brilliant of Mr. Martin.