Serious thoughts on this Harry Greb shadow boxing video?

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  1. surfinghb

    surfinghb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Let's give at go … see what happens
     
  2. SambaKing7

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    Please allow me to repeat this comment from Reznick in regards to the Greb shadow boxing video:

    "Also if you look at him shadow boxing, he kind of resembles that Lomachenko looseness and agility."

    Cuban Cigar, Smokey pub, Shirt and tie with trousers pulled up to their nipples and a Jack Blackburn biography springs to mind! :risas3::risas3::risas3::risas3::risas3::risas3::risas3::risas3::roflmao:
     
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  3. SambaKing7

    SambaKing7 Member banned Full Member

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    Can someone please change this video to Black & White so we can get an accurate representation of what is going on.

    Here's Reznick's opinion of the following footage while puffing a Cuban cigar in the corner of a smokey Bronx tavern: "A high volume Tasmanian devil with fast feet, angles and remarkable balance combined with speed and energy. He even has the wherewithal to cleverly use the head to create openings for his terrific inside work. Can you only imagine if he fell into the hands of a Jackie Blackburn?" LOLOLOLOLOL

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  4. SambaKing7

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    *video changed to black and white*

    Let's go over to Reznick who is currently at the bar asking for a half whiskey before he indulges in a game of dominoes amidst a smokey haze.

    "Was this kid trained by Philadelphia Jack O'Brien? He has the trademark speed which is evident in the 0.5 second 7 punch combo. The way he pivots into the uppercut reminds me of a young Jack Sharkey. The angles are something that have been sadly lost over time. A real throwback"

    :cbiggrin::roflmao::thinking::thinking::thinking:
     
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  5. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Well, Tunney sure seen him fight plenty the final 4 times they fought.

    As far as preparations for these fights, remember that Greb often fought multiple times a month, sometimes twice in the same week. There wasn't a lot of specialized preparation for the vast majority of his bouts. You really get a feel for this in Klompton book. He spent a lot of time riding trains crisscrossing the midwest and east coast, going from fight to fight, with seemingly little time for training.

    Greb certainly got around. He had over 300 fights. I doubt that he was a mystery to serious fighters of his day.
     
  6. Seamus

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    Yet, the only times that the two actually shared the ring, in actual non-internet supposition reality, Dempsey had all sorts of problems with Greb.
     
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  7. Pat M

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    Evander lHolyfield talking about shadow boxing, says something like, "if I can't look good fighting against air, how can I look good against an opponent?" Shadow boxing is one of the most important parts of boxing training, when a man raises his elbow before throwing his right like Greb does, he just isn't well schooled, when a fighter crosses his feet when moving he isn't well schooled. Greb was good enough to win in his time, but he looks like a person who has never had decent boxing training when compared to fighters of today.
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  8. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict

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    In all fairness, just about every fighter I see today raises his elbow before throwing a right hand and most raise the elbow before they jab. That is my pet peeves and I see it all the time.
     
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  9. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Look at Dempsey shadowboxing .. he looks the same .. a different style ..

    https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/...shadow-boxes-in-boxing-news-footage/584517348
     
  10. SambaKing7

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    *video changes to grainy black and white*

    Let's go over to Reznick who's playing cards in the smokey corner of a run down Detroit tavern...

    "What we see here is a swarming, perpetual motion, aggressive fighter in the mould of a Jack "doc" Kearns trained fighter. It's quite remarkable how the fighter is fully tensed when letting off the combinations, ensuring the maximum force of impact upon delivery".

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  11. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    You can't judge people on their ability to do something from clips where they clearly aren't trying to do it.
    Of course random gym newbs get it closer to what you think it should look like, becuase they are trying to get it to look like that, when the old guys clearly had other intentions

    However effective it was, it was clearly a training style since we have plenty of footage of other fighters doing similar stuff in training, and not in the ring.
     
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    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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  13. richdanahuff

    richdanahuff Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I doubt that video was anything more than a look at the man and as was normal as I have seen these promotional videos of the era where they simply introduce the audience to the fighter the entire thing seems playful.......as far as how he moved that is unusual for today but he was literally beating the hell out of modern looking styles like Walker, Loughran and Tunney though the much larger Tunney beat him....it's this video that seems to raise the most doubt on Greb's greatness but I am certain it was light play and his style was far more demonic
     
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  14. Pat M

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    My fighters don't raise their elbow and I bet your fighters don't either. But even if Greb corrected that, he still crosses his feet, leans at the waist, gets his head past his knee, walks with his right hand, and more. He looks terrible. There is no way I can look at that video and believe that the guy shadow boxing, as he was in that video, could compete today.

    We have two young pros (1-0, 2-0), so we're particular about who they fight. If a promoter sent me that video and proved to me that it was recent, and he said we could fight that guy for a second or third fight, I wouldn't hesitate to accept the fight.
     
  15. surfinghb

    surfinghb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You got to love the "Monday Morning" quarterbacking going on here .. People are posting like they have just won multiple world titles with 300 fights in their CV and now their pro 1-0 fighter is better than Harry Greb!!! LMAO …. People just can't see it for what it's worth .. He's moving around , staying loose, and doing his thing …