Mother****er I’ve had all types of **** talked about me. If you got banned for taking a few digs than the mods must be on something else. So I highly doubt it’s that. Either way **** you too. Maybe there is a secret mod war happening, with some helping me have a good enough experience here while contributing content, while others try to shut me down. Who knows. All I know is that if Harry Greb had a tennis ball at the end of his hat, he’d awaken Thor and Odin with his techniques.
Making a complete judgement on a fighter based on a 10 second warm up clip is the most ignorant thing possible. A good boxing coach trying to dip his feet into boxing history would see a fight like Dempsey vs Tunney II and would right away respect the abilities of older fighters. No sane person wouldn’t. Hell, Muhammad Ali did. But alas prime Pat M wouldn’t. If you’ve seen his analysis on Jim Jeffries highlights, it is perhaps the worst boxing analysis I have ever seen in my life. It consists more of groaning than actual articulated points and arguments. The bias is vomit inducing. The ones here who work to tear down legacies almost never ever produce content. When they do, it’s ****. I have never seen a single piece of good content by the posters here who work to diminish world stage fighters. A few have tried, and failed misrebly. And there’s probably a good reason for that. There's one other poster here who managed to generate a sizable following by creating awesome content. Just look at Rummys post history. You don't see him showing obsessive tendencies to target or tear down fighters or eras. The sad part is that many here have a ton of knowledge. They just lack that next layer of nuance.
This is the most significant post in this entire thread. I’ve had people argue that camera technology doesn’t make a big difference when analyzing old fighters. As if it wasn’t one of the most rapidly advancing technologies in the last 100 years. And as if media/production techniques don’t have a massive role in shaping perception. Advertisers use the finest subtleties like applying certain colors on things to incite specific emotions. But trust me, crappy camera tech doesn’t take away from Joe Louis at all. Promise.
His balance, form, and footwork look great in that light sparring clip. You can really see the range of his balance when he steps in and out for the body jab. He has great mechanical control of his back and front legs for pushing off with either one. You combine that form with tons of stamina, high output, a crazy fighting spirit, being an age mover, and of course you have a nightmare on your hands.
Hey, if you don't get it, I'm absolutely cool with that. I'm just grateful there are 39,000 people who do.
Maybe that's how he got so many fights people saw that akward looking warm up and figured there's no way they can be that good then they get in the ring and he beats them like a wolverine attacking.....all I know is Mickey Walker looked pretty modern and fought everything and he couldn't handle him Tunney fought him tooth and nail and suffered his only loss to him and he was a very modern scientific fighter style who was aa great ring general and Loughran was legendary scientific boxer with all the same turning, side to side and beautiful counter punching......there is a reason the old timers thought he was the GOAT before the SRR era and those who saw him could not see him being beaten by the later middleweights...or ltheavies for that matter....there is absolutely why the Dempsey sparring match is described as Greb tearing into him like a badger that had Dempsey struggling which drove the idea that Greb could beat him.....armchair QB's indeed
The guy in the white shorts went tooth and nail with a guy that Pat M thinks doesn't know the fundamentals of boxing. https://streamable.com/hbuwg Lmao, c'mon shun. What are we doing here
Before I jump the gun, is that a reference to the Andre Ward video that I threw together for fun last year?? What, in your opinion, is the significance of you and Rummy’s follower counts?
This line of inquiry might stalemate on whether the ESB and Youtube viewing publics are intelligent consumers of boxing analysis.
That clip is Benny Hill theme material. In a sanctioned bout Greb's Shadow would open as a heavy favourite over Greb. And to think this guy is rubbing shoulders with the likes of Gatti and Stallone in the HOF…. Wow!
I remember this footage first emerging on here years ago. All we have to do is look at his resume and what we have on film of the fighters he beat and it's pretty obvious this footage means very little in the big scheme of things.
That was one of several examples. What is the significance in saying you did it for fun? To downplay your efforts? All my videos I do for fun. My first video wasn’t even meant to be seen by anyone. I made it for myself. It had 3,000 views in the first month without sharing link or telling anyone about it. Your video hasn’t had a hit in forever. It’s still stuck at 100 views, and you managed to grab zero subscribers out of it. Zero! That’s actually hard to do lol. No joke. The significance is that we express our boxing views through our videos, and managed to gets tens of thousands of people to subscribe to our views. And that if the people who attempt to tear down legacies were to put those views for public consumption through videos or a blog, they would continue to fail misrebly. I’m sure @Rumsfeld doesnt value the knowledge of his subscribers. Nope, that’s just playground stuff until he has to answer the real experts on ESB like Pat M, who would clown Greb in the ring.
