The difference between Wilder and Joshua

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Ya, that and the whole technical side of things.

 

Fury is coming for these bums

mark my words

Wilder beat Ortiz because Ortiz slowed and gassed towards the end and started walking face first in Wilder's offence...

Meanwhile AJ was lucky to make it out of the Wlad bout

easy nights work for Fury.

 

Fury would get posterized - hard - by Wilder. Absolutely pantsed. Wilder would come out like a closer in baseball throwing fire without fear becayse Fury fights and hits like a broad.

 

This would be a stronger argument if Wilder had fought someone after Ortiz so we could assess his reaction.

 

Wilder is way more experienced than Joshua. Joshua's learning fast, but some things can only be learned with experience and with only 21 fights Joshua still has a ways to go.

 

Joshua has fought more cautiously since, he did get badly hurt but he handled it extremely well tbf, rode the storm, took a couple of rounds of to compose himself then when he got his wind back and Wlad was a bit more knackered he uppercutted his head off.

We'll see how Joshua fares when he gets hurt again, I think he will box a bit more safety first untilmhe either hurts his opponent or gets hurt himself then will go all brawling at that point.

We dunno how Wilder will handle it because he is a Haymon fighter and he's had his fight for 2018. TBF I don't think Wilder has it in him to be safety first, he barely has a jab and his defence is shocking so his offence is everything, if he tried to cut back on that he would probably be a worse fighter for it.

 

Joshua had better amateur experience and in his pro career he'll have learnt more than Wilder in his last four fights than Wilder did up to Ortiz.

Sparring might be different as Wilder has a fair sparred in a fair few decent camps but I don't think cause Wilder has had more fights that his experience is more telling. Wilders first five years as a pro were against other novices or journeymen. Joshua just cut three years of that out.

 

So Wilder getting caught with shots from Sconiers to Molina to Ortiz is a sign of progression?

Lennox Lewis was often boring....
Mayweather was often boring....

Winning comfortably enough so there's no need to take a risk = Boring


Even RJJ, who didn't really take that advice, pointed this out in the BJS v Lemieux fight.

 

Impossible. Joshua has a lot of talent, but he is clearly still green. Nobody master's their skillset with only 21 fights.

At this stage amateur experience is irrelevant. Wilder's faced more styles than Joshua has a a pro and has fought away from home, which has an impact in shaping a fighter's mentality.

Povetkin will be a good learning experience, but Joshua still hasn't faced a good counterpuncher with power like Stiverne (1st fight), a southpaw that can move and has handspeed (Szpilka), or a skilled southpaw with power (Ortiz). Joshua's skill set is also still very raw. He still has a sloppy jab and hasn't developed a good uppercut yet, and has poor stamina, but maybe Joshua will surprise everyone against Povetkin.

Also, Parker in my opinion was always overrated and besides having a good chin and fast hands was never a threat for Joshua, since he can't punch and has some of the worst footwork out of any top 10 heavyweight I've ever seen. Joshua learned from the Whyte fight, the Takam fight, and the Wlad fight, but all the other fights provided no challenge for Joshua.

I'd still like Joshua after the Povetkin fight (if he wins) to fight Miller (In America), Whyte (rematch), and the winner of Usyk-Bellew (wishful thinking on my part) before fighting Wilder, since by then Joshua will be plenty experienced to make Joshua-Wilder a competitive fight.

At the moment I'm not convinced Joshua would even make it 7-8 rounds with Wilder. But, with 24-25 fights under his belt and Povetkin, Miller, Usyk or Bellew on his resume it would be a 50/50 fight.

 

Be quiet rent boy.

Don't poison another thread with your matchroom pr prostitute garbage

 

We'll see if that's true vs Povetkin.

 

Difference is that Joshua is a far superior fighter. Wilder is good but Joshua is like Wilder without Wilder's limitations.