Serious thoughts on this Harry Greb shadow boxing video?

Intentionally or unintentionally you appear to remain confused. The thread in no small part took issue with the borderline nonsequitor comments previously made regarding what should be gleaned from the footage.

A number of posters have already pointed out the absurdity I’m judging of judging Greb’s abilities, counter to what many already know, based on the subject snippet of footage.

 

The problem with ignoring Greb's resume is that his resume isn't just good. It's not even just great. It reads like fiction. In fact, if you created a fictional fighter who beat that many other greats, it would read as unbelievable. So, again, to deny Greb's greatness as one of the handful of greatest ever is to deny the greatness of an entire era, one populated by Tunney, Dempsey, Wills, Leonard, Dillon, Rosenblum, Mike Gibbons, Tommy Gibbons... We've got a lot of those guys on film.

I am curious what you think of the skill being shown on this footage?

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They don't punch with proper form that can be taught in any LA Fitness Boxing 101 class.
They don't keep their hands up.
They cross their feet.
They don't punch with piston like snap.

They don't show the inside pocket skills that almost all modern day fighters posses. For example they can't sit down, slip a punch, pivot, and return two like "pop pop."

I don't actually believe any of this, I'm just saving you time.

 

The irony of this is there is some crazy good infighting going on there.

 

I don't know who was who since I turned the sound off. I don't like to listen to the "narrator" or the fake punch sounds. The fake punch sounds remind me of the old Batman TV show.

The guy in the white looked okay to me. He jabbed, worked when he was inside, even gave some angles when the other guy wasn't holding him. He did some pivots that made the guy in the dark trunks reset. He threw nice uppercuts and hooks and kept his elbows in.
The guy in the black was decent too, I'd like to have seen him use more head movement and bend his knees a little more since he was shorter but he didn't take a lot of punishment. I thought he initiated most of the holding, but he kept pressure on the taller fighter, and nobody likes pressure.
IMO, the guy in white boxed better, the guy in black might have been stronger physically and he did a good job using what he had. From just what was shown on the video I thought the guy in white won, but I didn't see it all and I wasn't at ringside.

 

@Seamus lol, welcome to my hell.

 

So were they average gym level fighters, amateur level fighters, low level pro boxers, journeymen, world class fighters, or all time boxing greats?

 

I've seen people put those two fighters in the same breath as your Leonard's and Duran's of this world. From the eye test, they aren't even close.

 

This could well be a 50 pager i think, destined to be revisited at various points in the future.

 

You completely missed the point....which is since your claim is that of deep experience them you have seen world class pros and amateurs alike have clowned around.....if you say know thentyou are full of it and not for a minute do I believe your resume if you really honest to God think you can judge an ATG who beat ATG fighters by this clip then I am in doubt of your judgement and credentials....you see us who have been around know that this clip is more than likely not how he fought given the video we have of those fighters he did beat....we also have seen enough fighters and fought guys who looked like nothing in warm up only to be confronted by exceptional talent and those who look like world champs in warm up sometimes can't fight no matter how good they shadow box or hit pads....playing around or loosening up means nothing and the only thing I would take away from it is "hey it's Harry Greb" but he had to be better than that for everyone who saw him to sing his praises. Freddie Steele came just 10-20 yrs later and his style is impressive no matter who you are and Greb was considered to be better....so take you pompous comment and grow a brain

Now see there would be no issue by any family IMO had you judgemental guys had not come to the the ludicrous conclusion that this snippet without a doubt captured the force that is Greb then no one would have cared in fact based off this clip most would agree....but a short clip on a joking Greb is what you base your opinion of his entire career and greatness....well OK continue on but to discount him off this clip is foolish.....you must have been easy to dupe as a coach.

 

Here's another scrub that Greb beat...

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I never said you can judge Greb by this one clip.

The thread is about this clip. It asks what we think of it. Tell me you don’t think he looks awkward, amateurish and downright foolish ... not his resume (which I addressed), this one clip we have of him.

You can think whatever you want of my resume. I know what I’ve done. I don’t throw it out there to say “I know more than you” or anyone else ... but you started your post (to which I responded) out like a total ass — basically saying “I dismiss this because I have decided he was clowning around and being goofy on purpose (to which you obviously have no evidence) and anyone who disagrees has obviously never been to a gym or seen fighters warm up” — and I called you on it.

I have been to gyms, many of them. I’ve seen fighters train. I know what it looks like. Truth.

I also think IN THIS PARTICULAR CLIP that Harry looks like a joke.

Now, smart guy, look at the clip from start to finish. Don’t project that he’s clowning and just tell me what you see in him skill-wise in those precious seconds we have of Greb doing boxing stuff on film. Can you with any degree of intellectual honesty say he looks IN THIS PARTICULAR CLIP like an ATG?

 

No. It looks terrible.

Now, if you think this fact carries no weight in judging Greb's ability, you actually agree with most of the guys arguing with you.

 

Epic backpeddling at its best.


“Dont project...” you say. As if you know what hes doing here. You dont know that hes not clowning, you dont know that hes not just limbering up, you dont know that hes not doing high intensity cardio, you dont know that his approach to shadow boxing was the same as your approach to shadowboxing and most importantly you dont know jack **** about his ability based on this clip. You dont. And regardless of your absolutely pointless (and unbelievable) claims of being a trainer you havent made a compelling argument for any case beyond your own ignorance. People trained differently back then. If you were worth a **** as a trainer in the 80s as you claim youd know this as well as anyone. You dont, so excuse me if I dont give you instant credibility because you CLAIM to have trained fighters. In reality your wet behind the ears stance that fighters today are so much prettier and better stinks of someone born after 1990 who clearly doesnt know his ass from his elbow. When you see the films of men in that era training, running while twirling around and pumping their fists in the air, looking very comical no doubt, do you also think that their conditioning sucked because their cardio looks funny? Those guys went 20 hard rounds for peanuts and were thrown out of the ring without a purse if they were thought to not be giving their best. How many of these coddled “fighters” today that you think are so pretty can go 20 rounds of hard fighting? Hell, most can barely make it 12. Maybe your favorites should try some of those funny looking moves so we wouldnt have such a shitty sport today with pampered cowards that just like to collect meaningless paper titles rather than prove they are the best. Take that bull**** elsewhere, it gets no play here.

 

Read my original post and respond to it. I stand by it 100 percent.