It bugs me when I see fighters doing next to nothing most of the years they are considered p4p; so I thought, what if every year your credit got set to zero and you were only judged on what you did in that time? Every fighter is in a race to achieve the most in a year, and depending on how much they achieve, that's their rank. Not what they did last year, or what they are potentially capable of if maybe. You don't get credit for what you did five years ago. You don't get tenure for the lean years. There's no benefit of the doubt when you take time off or fight mediocre opponents. Under this criteria you are encouraged to go out there and make things happen. Get after it hard. No sick days. No resting on your laurels. Everybody has the same year to do as much as they can. Losses aren't penalized, just like you don't count punches that missed. Most p4p lists penalize people for taking chances and fighting the best. Consequently they are rewarding playing it safe and underachieving. Here's how I think the p4p lists would look each year from 2000 on. Here are our MVPs. 2000 1.Shane Mosley – De La Hoya, Willy Wise, Antonio Diaz 2.Erik Morales -Marco Antonio Barrera, Kevin Kelley, Mike Juarez, Rodney Jones 3.Lennox Lewis- Michael Grant, David Tua, Frans Botha 4.Felix Trinidad – Fernando Vargas, David Reid, Mamadou Thiam 5.Floyd Mayweather Jr- Emmanuel Augustus, Gregorio Vargas 6.Kostya Tszyu -Julio Cesar Chavez, Ahmed Santos 7.Roy Jones Jr – Richard Hall, David Telesco, Eric Harding 8.Naseem Hamed – Augie Sanchez, Vuyani Bungu 9.Joe Calzaghe -Richie Woodhall, Omar Sheika, David Starie 10.Manny Pacquiao -Nedal Hussein, Seung-kon Chae, Arnel Barotillo 11.Marco Antonio Barrera – Luis Freitas, Jose Valbuena, Jesus Salud 12.Bernard Hopkins – Syd Vanderpool, Antwun Echols 13.Wladimir Klitschko – Chris Byrd, Monte Barrett, David Bostace, Paea Wolfgram 14.Oscar De La Hoya -Derrell Coley 15.Ricardo Lopez -Phothong 2001 1.Bernard Hopkins -Keith Holmes, Felix Trinidad 2.Floyd Mayweather Jr- Diego Corrales, Carlos Hernandez, Jesus Chavez 3.Marco Antonio Barrera -Naseem Hamed, Enrique Sanchez 4.Kostya Tszyu – Zab Judah, Sharmba Mitchell, Urkal 5.Felix Trinidad – William Joppy 6.Rafael Marquez – Mark Johnson, Gerardo Espinoza 7.Manny Pacquiao -Lehlo Ledwaba, Foijan Prawet, Senrima 8.Oscar De La Hoya -Arturo Gatti, Javier Castillejo 9.Erik Morales- Guty Espadas Jr, In Jin Chi 10.Lennox Lewis -Hasim Rahman 11.Shane Mosley – Shannon Taylor, Adrien Stone 12.Roy Jones Jr – Dereck Harmon, Julio Cesar Gonzalez 13.Joe Calzaghe – Mario Veit, Will McIntyre 14.Wladimir Klitschko – Derrick Jefferson, Charles Shufford 15.Ricardo Lopez -Petelo 2002 1.Vernon Forrest – Shane Mosley x2 2.Marco Antonio Barrera -Erik Morales, Johnny Tapia 3.Felix Trinidad – Ricardo Mayorga, Hacine Cherifi 4.Oscar De La Hoya – Fernando Vargas 5.Floyd Mayweather Jr – Jose Luis Castillo 6.Rafael Marquez -Mark Johnson, Jorge Otero 7.Erik Morales – Paulie Ayala 8.Lennox Lewis -Mike Tyson 9.Pongsaklek Wonjongkam -Daisuke Naito, Jesus Martinez, Honda 10.Wladimir Klitschko – Frans Botha, Ray Mercer, Jameel McCline 11.Roy Jones Jr – Glen Kelly, Clinton Woods 12.Bernard Hopkins -Carl Daniels 13.Joe Calzaghe -Charles Brewer, Miguel Jimenez, Tocker Pudwill 14.Manny Pacquiao -Jorge Julio, Rakkiatgym 15.Kostya Tszyu – Ben Tackie 2003 1.James Toney – Vassily Jirov, Evander Holyfield 2.Roy Jones Jr – John Ruiz, Antonio Tarver 3.Manny Pacquiao -Marco Antonio Barrera, Lucero, Yeshmagambetov 4.Oscar De La Hoya -Shane Mosley, Luis Ramon Campas 5.Bernard Hopkins – Morrade Hakkar, William Joppy 6.Floyd Mayweather Jr -Victoriano Sosa, Philip Ndou 7.Lennox Lewis -Vitali Klitschko 8.Erik Morales- Guty Espadas jr, Eddie Croft, Fernando Velardez 9.Kostya Tszyu – Jesse James Leija 10.Marco Antonio Barrera -Kevin Kelley 11.Joe Calzaghe -Byron Mitchell 12.Pongsaklek Wonjongkam – Hussein Hussein, Mangubat, Acerda 13.Wladimir Klitschko -Fabio Moli, Dannell Nicholson 2004 1.Marco Antonio Barrera -Paulie Ayala, Erik Morales 2.Manny Pacquiao- Juan Manuel Marquez, Pirang 3.James Toney -Rydell Booker, John Ruiz 4.Bernard Hopkins – Oscar De La Hoya, Robert Allen 5.Diego Corrales -Acelino Freitas, Joel Casamayor 6.Floyd Mayweather Jr -Demarcus Corley 7.Erik Morales – Jesus Chavez, Carlos Hernandez 8.Kostya Tszyu -Sharmba Mitchell 9.Juan Manuel Marquez -Orlando Salido 10.Vitali Klitschko – Corrie Sanders, Danny Williams 11.Joe Calzaghe -Mkerchyan, Salem 12.Wladimir Klitschko – Davarryl Williamson 2005 1.Erik Morales -Manny Pacquiao 2.Ricky Hatton – Kostya Tszyu, Carlos Maussa 3.Floyd Mayweather Jr – Arturo Gatti, Henry Bruseles, Sharmba Mitchell 4.Diego Corrales -Jose Luis Castillo 5.Miguel Cotto – Demarcus Corley, Abdullaev, Ricardo Torres 6.Pongsaklek Wonjongkam -Daisuke Naito, Komatsu, Sales, Balabat 7.Chris John – Derrick Gainer, Tommy Browne 8.Celestino Cabbalero – Daniel Ponce De Leon, Valbuena, Ortega 9.Wladimir Klitschko – Samuel Peter, Eli Castillo 10.Shane Mosley – David Estrada, Jose Luis Cruz 11.Marco Antonio Barrera -Mzonke Fana, Robbie Peden 12.Joe Calzaghe -Veit, Ashira 13.Manny Pacquiao- Hector Velazquez 14.Juan Manuel Marquez -Victor Polo 15.Bernard Hopkins – Howard Eastman 2006 1.Manny Pacquiao- Erik Morales x2, Oscar Larios 2.Floyd Mayweather Jr – Zab Judah, Carlos Baldomir 3.Chris John – Juan Manuel Marquez, Acosta 4.Shane Mosley – Fernando Vargas x2 5.Joe Calzaghe – Jeff Lacy, Sakio Bika 6.Miguel Cotto – Gianluca Branco, Paulie Malignaggi, Carlos Quintana 7.Bernard Hopkins – Antonio Tarver 8.Oscar De La Hoya – Ricardo Mayorga 9.Marco Antonio Barrera – Rocky Juarez x2 10.Celestino Cabbalero – Somsak Sithchatawal, Bonilla, 11.Juan Manuel Marquez -Jandaeng, Jaca 12.Pongsaklek Wonjongkam -Nakahiro, Morales, Myekeni 13.Wladimir Klitschko – Chris Byrd, Calvin Brock 14.Ricky Hatton – Luis Collazo 15.Edwin Valero – Mosquera, Trazancos 2007 1.Floyd Mayweather Jr -Oscar De la Hoya, Ricky Hatton 2.Manny Pacquiao- Marco Antonio Barrera, Jorge Solis 3.Juan Manuel Marquez -Marco Antonio Barrera, Rocky Juarez 4.Miguel Cotto- Shane Mosley, Zab Judah, Oktay Urkal 5.Joe Calzaghe- Peter Manfredo, Mikkel Kessler 6.Bernard Hopkins – Winky Wright 7.Ricky Hatton – Jose Luis Castillo, Juan Urango 8.Rafael Marquez – Israel Vazquez 9.Nonito Donaire – Vic Darchinyan, Hudgins, Maldonado 10.Shane Mosley -Luis Collazo 11.Pongsaklek Wonjongkam – Amisa, Megrino, Shimizu, Sisnorio 12.Wladimir Klitschko – Ray Austin, Lamon Brewster 13.Chris John – Rojas, Takemoto 14.Celestino Cabbalero – R. Castillo, Lacierva, Pastrana 15.Edwin Valero – Lozada, Honmo, Zavaleta 2008 1.Manny Pacquiao -Oscar De La Hoya, Juan Manuel Marquez, David Diaz 2.Shane Mosley -Ricardo Mayorga, Antonio Margarito 3.James Toney -Hasim Rahman, Fres Oquendo 4.Joe Calzaghe- Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr 5.Bernard Hopkins -Kelly Pavlik 6.Wladimir Klitschko – Sultan Ibragimov, Hasim Rahman, Tony Thompson 7.Juan Manuel Marquez – Joel Casamayor 8.Vitali Klitschko – Samuel Peter 9.Miguel Cotto – Alfonso Gomez 10.Chris John – Roinet Caballero, Enoki 11.Celestino Cabbalero – Meija, Parra, Molitor 12.Edwin Valero - Shimada 13.Nonito Donaire -Mthalane 2009 1.Manny Pacquiao – Ricky Hatton, Miguel Cotto 2.Sergio Martinez – Kermit Cintron, Paul Williams 3.Andre Ward – Mikkel Kessler, Pudwell, Miranda, Buchanan 4.Floyd Mayweather Jr- Juan Manuel Marquez 5.Miguel Cotto – Michael Jennings, Joshua Clottey 6.Juan Manuel Marquez – Juan Diaz 7.Chris John – Rocky Juarez 8.Wladimir Klitschko – Ruslan Chagaev 9.Celestino Cabbalero – Mathebula, Leal 10.Edwin Valero – Pitalua, Velazquez 11.Nonito Donaire – Rafael Conception, Rauel Martinez 12.Vitali Klitschko – Chris Arreola, Kevin Johnson, Juan Carlos Gomez 13.Bernard Hopkins – Enrique Ornelas 2010 1.Sergio Martinez – Kelly Pavlik, Paul Williams 2.Manny Pacquiao – Joshua Clottey, Antonio Margarito 3.Floyd Mayweather Jr- Shane Mosley 4.Juan Manuel Marquez – Juan Diaz, Michael Katsidis 5.Andre Ward – Sakio Bika, Allan Green 6.Pongsaklek Wonjongkam -Koki Kameda, Suriyan Kaikanha 7.Wladimir Klitschko – Eddie Chambers, Samuel Peter 8.Vitali Klitschko – Shannon Briggs, Sosnowski 9.Edwin Valero – Antonio Demarco 10.Nonito Donaire – Manuel Vargas, Hernan Marquez, Sydorenko 11.Guillermo Rigondeaux – Ricardo Cardoba, Beranza, Landeros 12.Bernard Hopkins -Roy Jones Jr 13.Miguel Cotto – Yuri Foreman 14.Chris John – Saucedo
2011 1.Andre Ward – Carl Froch, Arthur Abraham 2.Juan Manuel Marquez -Manny Pacquiao, Likar Ramos 3.Miguel Cotto – Ricardo Mayorga, Antonio Margarito 4.Nonito Donaire – Fernando Montiel, Omar Narvaez 5.Bernard Hopkins – Jean Pascal 6.Manny Pacquiao -Shane Mosley 7.Lara – Paul Williams, Carlos Molina, Raines 8.Bradley – Devon Alexander, Joel Casamayor 9.Pongsaklek Wonjongkam – Edgar Sosa, Kogawa 10.Wladimir Klitschko - David Haye 11.Vitali Klitschko – Odlanier Solis, Tomasz Adamek 12.Sergio Martinez – Dzinzurik, Barker 13.Chris John – Yordan, Merdov 14.Guillermo Rigondeaux – Willie Casey 2012 1.Donaire- Vazquez, Mathebula, Nishioka, Arce 2.Marquez- Fedchenko, Pacquiao 3.Gonzalez- Jimenez, Hirales, Monterrosa, Estrada 4.Ward- Chad Dawson 5.Mayweather- Miguel Cotto 6.Martinez- Macklin, Chavez Jr. 7.Pacquiao- Tim Bradley 8.Canelo- Mosley, Lopez 9.Froch- Bute, Mack 10.Rigondeaux- Ramos, Kennedy, Marroquin 11.Golovkin- Fuchigami, Proksa 12.Kovalev- Boone, Thompson 2013 1.Rigondeaux- Nonito Donaire, Joseph Agbeko 2.Mayweather- Robert Guerrero, Canelo Alvarez 3.Donaire- Vic Darchinyan 4.Golovkin- Rosado, Ishida, Macklin, Stevens 5.Froch- Kessler, Groves 6.Garcia- Salido, Lopez, Martinez 7.Kovalev- Campillo, White, Cleverly, Sillakh 8.Lara- Angulo, Trout 9.Klitschko- Pianetta, Povetkin 10.Canelo- Trout 11.Inoue- Sano, Taguchi, Mancio 12.Pacquiao- Brandon Rios 13.Ward- Edwin Rodriguez 14.Gonzalez- Barrera, Rodriguez, Blanquet 15.Lomachenko- Ramirez 2014 1.Lara- Canelo, Smith 2.Gonzalez- Kantun, Purisima, Yaegashi, Fuentes 3.Inoue- Hernandez, Kokietgym, Narvaez 4.Rigondeaux- Kokietgym, Amagasa 5.Golovkin- Adama, Geale, Rubio 6.Crawford -Burns, Gamboa, Beltran 7.Pacquiao- Tim Bradley, Algieri 8.Mayweather- Marcos Maidana x2 9.Lomachenko- Russell, Piriyapinyo 10.Kovalev- Agnew, Caparello, Hopkins 11.Froch- Groves 12.Canelo- Angulo 13.Klitschko- Leapai, Pulev 14.Donaire- Vetyeka 15.Garcia- Burgos 2015 1.Gonzalez- Leon, Sosa, Viloria 2.Golovkin- Murray, Monroe, Lemieux 3.Mayweather- Pacquiao, Berto 4.Canelo- Kirkland, Cotto 5.Kovalev- Pascal, Mohammedi 6.Lomachenko- Rodriguez, Koasicha 7.Crawford- Dulorme, Jean 8.Ward- Paul Smith 9.Rigondeaux- Francisco 10.Lara- Rodriguez, Zaveck 11.Inoue- Parrenas 2016 1.Kovalev- Pascal, Chilemba, Ward 2.Gonzalez- Arroyo, Cuadras 3.Lomachenko- Martinez, Walters 4.Golovkin- Wade, Brook 5.Ward- Barrera, Brand, 6.Usyk – Mchunu, Glowacki 7.Crawford- Lundy, Postol 8.Charlo- Williams, Trout 9.Canelo- Khan, Smith 10.Pacquiao- Tim Bradley, Jesse Vargas 11.Inoue- Carmona, Kokietgym, Kono 12.Thurman- Porter 13.Lara- Martirosyan 14.Rigondeaux- ****ens 15.Garcia- Elio Rojas 2017 1.Golovkin- Jacobs, Canelo 2.Rungvisai- Gonzalez 3.Gonzalez- Rungvisai 4.Joshua - Klitschko, Takam 5.Garcia- Broner, Zlaticanan 6.Crawford – Molina, Diaz, Indongo 7.Lomachenko- Sosa, Marriaga 8.Santa Cruz- Frampton, Avalos 9.Usyk – Huck, Hunter 10.Spence- Kell Brook 11.Estrada- Cuadras, Salas 12.Thurman- Garcia 13.Inoue- Rodriguez, Nieves, Boyeaux 14.Kovalev- Shabransky 15.Canelo- Chavez Jr 16.Lara- Foreman, Gausha
The P4P list is just US boxing propaganda for the most part. Errol Spence is ranked 8th.....For what? Beating Brook? Was Brook top 10 before he beat him? No. Terence Crawford is ranked 3rd......For what? Beating Postol? Yet when Fury beat Klitschko, who was P4P top 10, Why didn't Fury get into the top 10? It's just rubbish that I wouldn't bother with.
Basically, I took the top 15 or so people who had the best p4p potential at the time, and then ranked them according to what they actually accomplished. Rigo had p4p potential in terms of athleticism and skills, but he just failed to do anything with them, so he had a lackluster finish. Same thing happened when I ranked Ricardo Lopez in the early '00s. There were a number of years that the guys with the most potential only fought one or two guys who you'd never heard of. I tried to account for that. As long as they beat somebody and didn't take the year off, they got ranked, ranked low but ranked. P4P potential gets you on the top 15 list, but accomplishment decides where you place on it.
Does a champion really care about the P4P rating? It would not stop the trash jive talking by fighters claiming they are the GOAT, etc etc.
Also the criteria is completely subjective, some guys go by resume, other guys go by skills. And even both of those things are judged subjectively. So what you get is a bunch of people just arguing about a very subjective concept.
No it isn't, it's just hard to gauge. But the concept is not nonsense at all. For example, the myriad of heavyweight bums (aka top heavies) are light years behind the welterweight division's best.