Why do lots of members from the boxing community believe Wilder can KO any HW with 1 punch?

Luis Fernando · Sep 12, 2018

Dubblechin said: ↑

I thought it looked iffy at the time. Because I just kept looking at the right hand, which hit his gloves.

I believed Scott "flopped" for years.

Then I saw Scott go down against Tony Thompson. Scott fell and propped himself up on the floor the same way. And Thompson hit him with a right hand under the ear on Scott's jaw.

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If you look at the Wilder replay, Wilder hits Scott with the LEFT hand under the ear on his jaw on the other side of Scott's head before throwing the right (which hit his gloves). And Wilder's left hand to the jaw is what caused the knockdown.

Scott usually takes a good punch. But if you hit him under the ear on his jaw, on either side of his head, that seems to be his "sweet spot."
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The punch that dropped Scott landed with the palm / side of Wilder's glove and not the knuckle part of Wilder's glove. Meaning, it wasn't a legal punch anyway to begin with and Wilder should have been disqualified if the rules were properly enforced.

Slaps are illegal in boxing!

cslb · Sep 12, 2018

Dubblechin said: ↑

That's not what put him down. It was the left before that.
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lol That cuff with his left hand looked less impactful than that punch on the arms.

Okin129 · Sep 12, 2018

Dubblechin said: ↑

Szpilka was carried out of the ring, was hospitalized and basically had to take a whole year off before he could get back to it. That was a scary KO.
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Yes and that was caused literally by one ****ing punch, that's not ordinary.

Luis Fernando · Sep 12, 2018

Okin129 said: ↑

You have to be extremely powerful to render a grown man unconscious with one punch like Wilder did with Szpilka, everybody who claims otherwise, has never tried to do it.

Glassjaw or not, knockouts like that just don't happen without great punching power, it's not possible and now GTFOH.
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There are many other heavyweights who have KO'ed opponents concussively with one punch like that. Wilder is not the first to do it, nor will he be the last.

The God Himself · Sep 12, 2018

It's because Wilder fanboys have had their brain starved of oxygen via Al Haymons big tail in their cake holes

sid · Sep 12, 2018

When he going to fight Fury still no official announcement let's see if Wilder can KO Fury.
Who's Wilder KO none of the big names cos he never faces them.
Btw the longer this takes without a announcement with v Fury hmmmm odd's are it don't happen.

Braindamage · Sep 12, 2018

Luis Fernando said: ↑

Why do a lot of boxing fans, particularly Wilder fans, believe in this ridiculous idea that Wilder can KO absolutely any heavyweight in the world with just 1 punch and that he has the best 1 punch KO power / ability in the heavyweight division and even in the entire sport? As if to say, Wilder's 1 punch KO power / ability is something that is unique to him only.

When in reality, time after time, Wilder's '1 punch KO power / ability' has been exposed to not be as good or as high as some fans seem to suggest. Meaning, Wilder's 1 punch KO power has been exposed of not being good enough to KO EVERY heavyweight in the world.

Let's look at the facts, shall we?

1) Johann Duhaupas: Wilder landed a career high number of flush punches, maximum powered punches included on Duhaupas. Forget 'ONE' punch KO power. Wilder landed close to a THOUSAND punches on Duhaupas, who was literally moving forward most of the fight and at times, walking head first into Wilder's punches. In other words, WALKING RIGHT THROUGH many of Wilder's punches. Yet, Wilder failed to even score a single knockdown after 11 rounds of landing flush power punches on an opponent walking into his punches time after time. And Duhaupas, despite landing fewer punches, inflicted more damage on Wilder's face (giving Wilder a black eye) than the damage Wilder inflicted on Duhaupas (only causing some minor bleeding from Duhauapas's face). So if anything, that fight actually proved Duhaupas is a more powerful puncher than Wilder in terms of one punch power due to inflicting more damage with fewer punches. Even more so, considering Duhaupas did not land anywhere near as many loaded up POWER PUNCHES on Wilder as Wilder landed on Duhaupas.

And this is Duhaupas getting dropped heavily by a 15-11-1 CW scrub who was on a 1-6 streak.

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(Go to 3:12 mark of the video to see the knockdown)

So where exactly was Wilder's 1 punch KO power against Duhaupas?

2) Eric Molina: A guy with a glass jaw who has been knocked out cleanly in the first round against a 10 fight novice named Ashanti Jordan. Knocked out by Chris Arreola in the first round as well, along with getting stopped in 2 rounds by Anthony Joshua.

Only Wilder needed the HIGHEST number of punches and the HIGHEST number of rounds to finish off Molina. And he still couldn't totally incapacitate Molina who was still able to get back up to his feet after taking 9 rounds of continuous beating and punches from Wilder. Someone who supposedly has the best / most powerful ONE PUNCH KO POWER in Wilder shouldn't need that many punches or rounds or more rounds / punches compared to other heavyweights, to finish off Molina when he has been stopped by other heavyweights with far fewer punches and rounds.

So where exactly was Wilder's ONE PUNCH KO POWER against Eric Molina?

3) Luis Ortiz: A past his best heavyweight in his 40's and with heart illness who was cleared to fight literally on the night of the fight. Yet, Wilder failed to totally incapacitate or keep that version of Ortiz down for the full count, despite landing many of his best punches for 10 rounds.

So again I ask, where exactly was Wilder's 'ONE PUNCH KO POWER' that many are so profound of? Because I don't see it!

Even against Audley Harrison, David Price showed greater KO power by knocking Harrison out cleanly unlike Wilder who got a standing stoppage.

We only have one or two knockouts where we can say Wilder showed GENUINE one punch KO power. The cleanest and most legitimate one was Artur Szpilka. The others against Liakovich and Malik Scott looked controversial because they looked like dives and / or rabbit punches from Wilder.

For the most part, Wilder hasn't proven he has any greater ONE PUNCH KO POWER than David Price, Johann Duhaupas, Anthony Joshua or even Alexander Povetkin. I just don't see it!
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Because he's knocked out 39 out of 40 opponents?

sid · Sep 12, 2018

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Because he's knocked out 39 out of 40 opponents?
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Not KO these guys.
Dillian Whyte
Alexander Povetkin
Joseph Parker
Derek Chisora
Kubrat Pulev
Jarrell Miller

Did not face Wlad & time will tell if Wilder faces Fury.

Luis Fernando · Sep 12, 2018

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Because he's knocked out 39 out of 40 opponents?
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Except he hasn't knocked out 39 opponents. He didn't even drop, never mind KO'ed Johann Duhaupas. He didn't KO Chris Arreola, which was a corner retirement rather than an actual KO. He couldn't even KO Dustin Nichols who was stopped prematurely by the referee. And a bunch of other guys too.

Boxrec might say he has knocked out 39 opponents. But watching the actual fights would tell us he actually hasn't.

CST80 · Sep 12, 2018

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Except he hasn't knocked out 39 opponents. He didn't even drop, never mind KO'ed Johann Duhaupas. He didn't KO Chris Arreola, which was a corner retirement rather than an actual KO. He couldn't even KO Dustin Nichols who was stopped prematurely by the referee. And a bunch of other guys too.

Boxrec might say he has knocked out 39 opponents. But watching the actual fights would tell us he actually hasn't.
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Have you seen all of AJ's KO's? Now most of those are iffy as ****, he rarely has a one punch KO, the majority of his are on accumulation. The reason he didn't KO Duhaupas and Arreola is similar fashion as guys in the past, is the same reason why Holyfield KO'd Douglas and Tyson couldn't and Carl Thompson KO'd David Haye and Wlad couldn't, because **** like that happens in Boxing. Not every KD or KO is the same, and just because fighter A doesn't KO someone as impressively as fighter B, that doesn't invalidate fighter A's power altogether. In most cases these guys walk onto shots they haven't properly braced themselves for or didn't see coming, those are usually the shots that do the most damage, and that usually happens against lesser fighters more often than when facing the biggest puncher in your career, because they go in terrified, with the mindset of defending better and bracing themselves for every punch when in with big punchers, and not when in with guys they don't perceive as a threat. Certainly you don't think Findley and Edwards hit harder than Adonis Stevenson do you? Yet they KO'd Jack and Fonfara, and Adonis didn't (the first time around with Fonfara). You don't think Aron Martinez is a bigger puncher than Danny Garcia and Keith Thurman do you? Well Guerrero got dropped more heavily against Aron than he did against the Danny and Keith.

tinman · Sep 12, 2018

Okin129 said: ↑

You have to be extremely powerful to render a grown man unconscious with one punch like Wilder did with Szpilka, everybody who claims otherwise, has never tried to do it.

Glassjaw or not, knockouts like that just don't happen without great punching power, it's not possible and now GTFOH.
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Uhhhhhhh…. dude I've seen multiple people on the street sucker punch somebody and they go down sleeping on the sidewalk/road/patio/etc.

When somebody takes their fist and rams into your skull that tends to happen.

Now in the boxing ring it's different I guess because you have guys who have been trained to take a punch and defend themselves. But it doesn't take a uniquely powerful person to sleep a grown man when you ram your ****ing knuckles into his face.

Okin129 · Sep 12, 2018

tinman said: ↑

Uhhhhhhh…. dude I've seen multiple people on the street sucker punch somebody and they go down sleeping on the sidewalk/road/patio/etc.

When somebody takes their fist and rams into your skull that tends to happen.

Now in the boxing ring it's different I guess because you have guys who have been trained to take a punch and defend themselves. But it doesn't take a uniquely powerful person to sleep a grown man when you ram your ****ing knuckles into his face.
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You pointed it out already, those guys are trained to take a punch and there's a difference in punching an ordinary
guy on the streets with your bare hands and punching a professional boxer with gloves on.

If it would be that easy it would happen more often.

Luis Fernando · Sep 12, 2018

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Have you seen all of AJ's KO's? Now most of those are iffy as ****, he rarely has a one punch KO, the majority of hi are on accumulation. The reason he didn't KO Duhaupas and Arreola is similar fashion as guys in the past, is the same reason why Holyfield KO'd Douglas and Tyson couldn't and Carl Thompson KO'd David Haye and Wlad couldn't, because **** like that happens in Boxing. Not every KD or KO is the same, and just because fighter A doesn't KO someone as impressively as fighter B, that doesn't invalidate fighter A's power altogether. In most cases these guys walk onto shots they haven't properly braced themselves for or didn't see coming, those are usually the shots that do the most damage, and that usually happens against lesser fighters more often than when facing the biggest puncher in your career, because they go in terrified, with the mindset of defending better and bracing themselves for every punch when in with big punchers, and not when in with guys they don't perceive as a threat. Certainly you don't think Findley and Edwards hit harder than Adonis Stevenson do you? Yet they KO'd Jack and Fonfara, and Adonis didn't (the first time around with Fonfara). You don't think Aron Martinez is a bigger puncher than Danny Garcia and Keith Thurman do you? Well Guerrero got dropped more heavily against Aron than he did against the Danny and Keith.
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This isn't about AJ. And no, I don't rate AJ's punching power super highly either. Certainly not as highly as some of the Wilder fanatics rate Wilder's one punch KO power. I just don't see any evidence that Wilder has greater punching power than Joshua (and many other heavyweights).

I've seen many boxing fans claiming Wilder has the ability / power to KO ANY and EVERY heavyweight that exists. Now that is an EXTRAORDINARY claim that requires EXTRAORDINARY evidence. And from the evidence that is available for us to see in the form of Wilder's fights against certain opponents like Johann Duhaupas, Eric Molina and etc. We see him failing to KO those guys with multiple (not just one) maximum powered power punches landing for multiple rounds.

Now this idea that Wilder's ONE PUNCH KO POWER is any more special than the ONE PUNCH KO POWER of other heavyweights like Anthony Joshua, Alexander Povetkin, Wladimir Klitschko and etc. is totally unfounded and baseless. If Wilder's is unable to even drop Duhaupas after landing nearly 1000 punches for over 11 rounds, then nobody should even dare to claim he could KO ANY and EVERY HEAVYWEIGHT that exists with just one punch or at all even. Since that's the exact statement I've been hearing / reading for a long time in the boxing community.

I see absolutely ZERO reason to believe Deontay Wilder has greater punching power than the following heavyweights:

1) Anthony Joshua

2) Alexander Povetkin

3) David Price

4) Johann Duhaupas

5) Wladimir Klitschko

6) Dillian Whyte

CST80 · Sep 12, 2018

Luis Fernando said: ↑

This isn't about AJ. And no, I don't rate AJ's punching power super highly either. Certainly not as highly as some of the Wilder fanatics rate Wilder's one punch KO power. I just don't see any evidence that Wilder has greater punching power than Joshua (and many other heavyweights).

I've seen many boxing fans claiming Wilder has the ability / power to KO ANY and EVERY heavyweight that exists. Now that is an EXTRAORDINARY claim that requires EXTRAORDINARY evidence. And from the evidence that is available for us to see in the form of Wilder's fights against certain opponents like Johann Duhaupas, Eric Molina and etc. We see him failing to KO those guys with multiple (not just one) maximum powered power punches landing for multiple rounds.

Now this idea that Wilder's ONE PUNCH KO POWER is any more special than the ONE PUNCH KO POWER of other heavyweights like Anthony Joshua, Alexander Povetkin, Wladimir Klitschko and etc. is totally unfounded and baseless. If Wilder's is unable to even drop Duhaupas after landing nearly 1000 punches for over 11 rounds, then nobody should even dare to claim he could KO ANY and EVERY HEAVYWEIGHT that exists with just one punch or at all even. Since that's the exact statement I've been hearing / reading for a long time in the boxing community.
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Wilder is a huge puncher, and NO AMOUNT OF WRITING IN CAPS, is going to change that. The only reason why you can't see that, is because you're working over time doing backflips and cartwheels in your mind to convince yourself of it.

Luis Fernando · Sep 12, 2018

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Wilder is a huge puncher, and NO AMOUNT OF WRITING IN CAPS, is going to change that. he only reason why you can't see that, is because you're working over time doing backflips and cartwheels in your mind to convince yourself of it.
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Sure he is a huge puncher. I never claimed he isn't. But he hasn't proven he can KO ANY and EVERY heavyweight with just one punch, or even at all.

Nor has he proven he has greater punching power than the following heavyweights:

1) Anthony Joshua

2) Alexander Povetkin

3) David Price

4) Johann Duhaupas

5) Wladimir Klitschko

6) Dillian Whyte

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