Why do lots of members from the boxing community believe Wilder can KO any HW with 1 punch?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Luis Fernando, Sep 12, 2018.


Does Wilder have the power / ability to KO any heavyweight?

  1. No, there are heavyweights that can and will be able to take Wilder's punches without getting KO'ed

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  2. Yes, no heavyweight can take Wilder's punches

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  1. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The reason for this is because of premature referee stoppages. Not all of them are because of Wilder's other worldly or unique one punch KO power.
     
  2. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It's a questionable one! I believe they're roughly even in terms of punching power (Joshua and Wilder).
     
  3. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Fair enough! I'll remove Dillian Whyte from the list and it's a fair point.

    However, I haven't seen ANYTHING that suggests he hits harder than Anthony Joshua, Alexander Povetkin or Johann Duhaupas.

    Johann Duhaupas, with far fewer landed punches, and punches that weren't anywhere near as committed as Wilder's power punches, inflicted more damage on Wilder's face over 11 rounds than the damage Wilder inflicted on Duhaupas with far more landed punches and far more committed punches.

    Wilder landed nearly 1000 punches on Duhaupas and all he managed to conjure up was some minor bleeding on a paler skinned Duhaupas's face.

    Meanwhile, Duhaupas landed half the number of punches and gave a dark skinned Wilder an actual black eye.

    What's more impressive? Making a dark skin guy look like he had a eye surgery or causing some minor bleeding on a paler skinned opponent with double the landed punches?

    Alexander Povetkin has as many, if not more ONE PUNCH CLEAN KNOCKOUTS compared Deontay Wilder. So it absolutely is questionable as to whether Wilder punches harder.

    Anthony Joshua has stopped two common opponents that both he and Wilder share, with FEWER punches landed and in fewer rounds. So if Wilder hits harder, then why does he require far higher number of landed punches? Makes no sense!
     
  4. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Evidence doesn't suggest so. Since he has failed to KO multiple opponents with not just ONE punch, but with over hundreds of punches landing through multiple rounds.
     
  5. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Convinced of what exactly? I'm convinced Wilder is a power puncher. I'm not convinced he can KO any and every opponent with a single punch. And I'm not convinced he can KO EVERY heavyweight at all either. Nor am I convinced he has the greatest ONE PUNCH KO POWER in the heavyweight division.
     
  6. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Read the forums. It's been said (almost as a given now) that Wilder supposedly can KO ANY and EVERY opponent with a single punch. It's not a straw-man at all.

    It is a totally baseless claim that Wilder has the most potential for 1 shot KO power than any other heavyweight today. Other heavyweights have KO'ed just as many, if not more opponents cleanly with 1 punch compared to Wilder.

    Povetkin and Price come to mind!

    Out of Wilder's 39 stoppage wins, if we look at just his clean one punch knockouts, especially against same level of opponents, he doesn't have more of such knockouts than Povetkin or Price.

    Even Anthony Joshua usually requires FEWER punches against similar level of opposition or common opponents to finish them off, compared to the number of punches Wilder requires.

    Wilder's power ONE PUNCH KO POWER is nothing special, compared to the guys I've already mentioned.

    Duhaupas proved to have greater punching power against Wilder during their fight, when he inflicted greater visible damage on Wilder's face, despite landing half the number of punches that Wilder landed.

    Wilder landed double the punches, nearing 1000, but only managed to cause minor bleeding on Duhaupas's face whilst Duhaupas with half landed punches gave a dark skinned Wilder a black eye.

    Wilder's ONE PUNCH KO POWER is GROSSLY overrated!

    Every time someone mentions Artur Szpilka, I can mention one punch knockouts of Povetkin over the likes of David Price, or Takam, or Duhaupas. Or I can mention Duhaupas's own one punch knockouts over the likes of Robert Helenius. Or David Price's knockouts over multiple opponents.

    My point is, Wilder's ONE PUNCH KO POWER is nothing special.
     
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  7. IsaL

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    Any HW can KO any person with one punch. Whether they can land that one punch on the button is entirely another argument, but that he can KO any person, there is no disputing that.
     
  8. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Right! So you agree that Wilder's one punch KO power is no greater than that of other power punching heavyweights?
     
  9. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    I don't know. What I do know is that he has power is real.
     
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  10. Vykus

    Vykus ɹoolɟ ǝɥʇ ɯoɹɟ ʍǝᴉʌ ǝɥʇ Full Member

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    3 undeniable facts.

    1. Wilder has a very powerful and excellent straight right. As Ortiz said "He has one punch and i can see it all day". Better luck next time Louis.

    2. Wilder has such a good KO ratio and record because he fights either weak or cherry picked opposition. A Wilder who stepped it up after 25 or 30 fights has an honest 36-4 or 35-5 punchers record, with several fights going the distance.

    3. The Scott and Stiverne 2 fights were blantant obvious dives. Only desperate fanboys will tell you different. Wilder and Scott were good friends, Scott rolls without a single punch landing in the first round, go figure, he even winked at Wilder to let him know when for crying out loud. Stiverne shows up very overweight, out of shape, after his promoter fixed the WBC to keep him mandatory for doing nothing, follows Wilder around the ring with his hands down like a love sick puppy dog, rolls over 3 times without even trying or throwing a significant punch. King had to make his money back and deliver to his fighter somehow, short on him in the first like Scott and pay him under the table. If you cant see this, there is just no hope for you. Corrupt promoters and fighters are going to put on any old shin dig, short one fighter in any round to make a killing and take all your money for WWE style contests with one guy wearing a mask, doing windmills and shouting bongsquad..
     
  11. Mr Icaman

    Mr Icaman 32-0 WBC Champ, Ring + Lineal HW Champ Full Member

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    I think its the windmills that give the impression of his huge ko power. If he hurts someone he goes off like a broken washing machine making it hard for the one hurt to defend him self..

    He may come unstuck one day like he nearly did v Ortiz thinking he was more hurt than he actually was..
     
  12. Saintpat

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    I’m not sure if you just DKSAB or you DKSA the English language or a combination of both, but I’ll go with the latter because I like you and want to give you the greatest benefit of the doubt.

    To say that a fighter can KO anyone with a single punch means he possesses the power to do so. It does not mean that any single punch from this fighter will knock cold any man every time.

    You have to hit someone just right, with the proper leverage, on the right spot and time it right. JMM knocked out Pacquiao face-down flat cold. The same punch thrown the same way probably does not result in the same effect if Manny were pulling away from it rather than moving into it.

    Just because Mike Tyson failed to knock out Buster Douglas does not mean he was incapable of knocking out Buster Douglas.

    Better yet, let’s simplify it: Pacquiao fought JMM four times. JMM knocked him cold once, with a single punch. He hit him numerous times in the first three fights. Do you conclude from that, had they not fought a fourth time, that JMM could NOT knock him out with a single punch? Because we know for a fact now that he COULD.

    Ponder this: “Could” means capable of, not “does every single time,” or in this case “with any single punch in any circumstance.”

    Also, the definition of knockout in boxing does not mean to render unconscious for 10 seconds — it means to render incapable of continuing. Have you ever heard of a boxer with a record of “21 wins, 0 losses with 6 knockouts, 5 technical knockouts and 4 retired on stool” — no, he has 15 knockouts on his record.

    Julian Jackson could knock out any junior middleweight or middleweight. Yet he did not knock out every single guy.

    I’ll also further challenge you: who exactly says Wilder literally knocks out any fighter (or person) on the planet with one punch?

    What you’ve done is created a strawman argument. Your premise is alleging that nameless people are claiming something that they are not, and the you bend the definition of words to an nth degree to where you say they mean what they do not in an effort to win your own argument.

    And you still lost.

    For the record, I think Wilder is probaby the hardest-hitting heavyweight in the world right now. At least that I’ve seen. I don’t think that he literally stops any potential opponent with one punch, but I believe he is capable of stopping any opponent.

    I hope that helps.
     
  13. nervousxtian

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  14. Sephiroth Rising 7

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    If Johann Duhaupas hits harder why doesn't he have a better ko record?

    And why didn't Wilder go down? Bruising is no evidence of power just damage

    Knocking out an opponent is more impressive than giving them a bruised eye.

    As for AJ don't be ridiculous his power is ridiculously overrated. Many fighters hit harder.

    He only beat one opponent more impressively than Wilder and that was Molina, who he knocked out after Wilder beat the living day lights out of him. So it can easily be argued he fought a damaged Molina. The same way Vargas knocked down a damaged Khan after Danny Garcia and Canelo already beat the **** out of him. You are not going to then argue that Vargas is a big puncher unless you are special

    95% of his opponents have been stopped on their feet and he couldn't knock out Takam properly and didn;t put a dent in Parker who Whyte managed to hurt and put down.

    Povetkin looks to hit very hard, but with the height and leverage it would stand to reason that Wilder hits harder, this is backed up by other fighters who have actually sparred with all the top HW's and reached the conclusion that Wilder is the hardest puncher.

    Yet you who sit behind a keyboard seem to think you know better.
     
  15. Sephiroth Rising 7

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    Anthony Joshua's former trainer Richard Towers, a 6ft 8in former heavyweight who was defeated just once in his professional career, has sparred with most of the big names in the heavyweight division

    I’ve sparred with every heavyweight you could think of, except Joseph Parker. And I know when it comes to power, Deontay Wilder is in a league of his own,"
    Tower

    Put it this way: He hits FOUR times harder than Vitali Klitschko, he hits FIVE times harder than Wladimir Klitschko, he hits SIX times harder than Anthony Joshua, and he hits EIGHT times harder than Tyson Fury,” he added.

    “But I remember him just throwing a right hand and not meaning to put anything into it, the speed – until you get in there you don’t realise – and that’s the same for his power.

    “There’s no comparison to Deontay’s power, even with Wladimir [Klitschko] – who tortured me when I first sparred him – and David Haye. You can’t make one mistake with Deontay because he hits that hard; he’s more agile than any big man I’ve seen.

    “He hit me with a right hand just above my temple – we had 20oz gloves on – and it wobbled me and I remember me left leg felt really heavy.

    “For two weeks after that, I had a terrible pain, like somebody had a hot knife in the bottom of my foot and it was shooting up my leg''