Who landed more punches in Ali vs Liston 1?

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Who landed more punches?

  1. Muhammad Ali

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    77.8%
  2. Sonny Liston

    2 vote(s)
    22.2%
  1. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    I think Liston did a bit better in this fight than usually given credit for.
    Who do you guys think landed the most punches before the fight was stopped?
     
  2. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    I guess Ali landed more punches overall. The first round Ali won but Sonny was in it. Liston was dishing it out too. The last completed round Liston was not punching much.
     
  3. GOAT Primo Carnera

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    You might ask if the powerhouse Liston did catch Ali with ANYTHING to rate Alis chin from. Thats what he was supposed do, like he did the other KOs/TKOs prior.
     
  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Liston landed more punches by compubox. The "blind" round skewed the figures.

    Hard to say who really landed more shots.
     
  5. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Member of the PC Fan Club Full Member

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    If I remember correctly, even then he didn´t land anything cleanly!
     
  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yeah, that's exactly it.

    Compubox doesn't give you any idea what actually happens in a fight. if someone lands a southpaw left thumb on the shoulder it counts the same as a flush uppercut resulting in a KD.
     
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    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Punch stats don’t come with arbitrary asterisks pertaining to what a fighter “should” do based on his reputation.
     
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    Not that I don’t trust that you might, but do you have a basis for that claim?

    Because I just read this: “CompuBox doesn't count the love-tap, pitty-pat punches that boxers often throw without much force while holding each other or being entangled.”

    From this article:
    https://www.techtimes.com/articles/...gs-statistics-generator-30-years-counting.htm

    Which seems to directly contradict your statement.
     
  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Do you think it's likely or unlikely that compubox have ever counted a punch that was badly or partially landed as a punch?
     
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    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Ever? Extremely likely.
    I don’t think it happens enough to warrant your level of skepticism. Not even close.

    However, if you have the same book that I have, we can actually attempt a crowd sourced verification for one single round.

    Personally, I was somewhat taken aback when I read those stats.
     
  11. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Just consider my statement in the light of that fact.

    What book?
     
  12. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    I am.

    Compubox released a book with punch stats they did for every single Ali fight. Great book.
     
  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    No, I don't have that book.
     
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    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Ah, I assume then that they scored that particular fight and published their results at a different time.

    I’m curious as to whether or not we even have the same stats. I’ll post the ones I have in a minute.
     
  15. Jel

    Jel Obsessive list maker Full Member

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    I'm still intrigued as to who 'landed' more punches in Ali-Liston 2.